Stock Repair

[Dean Romig]

Rick, there seems to be a 'double spur' on that butt plate... can you show us a better picture?






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[Rick Losey]

Rick, there seems to be a 'double spur' on that butt plate... can you show us a better picture?.

i'll get a better one - you can see some of it here- the spur was somehow broken (no damage to the wood - so must have been off at the time)- and the gap filled with brown accu-glass, I think if they had used black it would not show-

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=635&pictureid=7427

[Dean Romig]

Thanks - I was hoping it was an anomaly from the factory.





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[Rick Losey]

Thanks - I was hoping it was an anomaly from the factory.
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nope - just an anomaly from a handyman :rotf:
maybe one of these days I'll get it out and replace it with black

[Brian Dudley]

Glass bedding.

Ricks gun also has a bad crack in the wood from lead in the butt. Expanded and caused the wood to split. I have seen this several times. Even on newer high end Berettas where they put lead in the butts from the factory.

If you find a gun with lead in the butt... Get it out!

[Dean Romig]

Then how would you suggest it be re-balanced?






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[Rick Losey]

Then how would you suggest it be re-balanced?
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look close at the last picture - you can see it about 1/3 of the way down

Now that the weather is improving and I can get back in the shop, we will find out

I am thinking of putting in something like nice shot

If nothing else it will raise the value of the gun :rotf:


BTW - the barrel's marked weight on this one is 6lbs 7oz - hence the need for weight to balance

[Brian Dudley]

Then how would you suggest it be re-balanced?


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Use something other than lead if need be.

[Dean Romig]

What would have the necessary weight and density to fill that cavity to the same weight?






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[Rick Losey]

What would have the necessary weight and density to fill that cavity to the same weight?
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lead - nice shot is about the same density

i think the issue is that the lead was poured in the hole and expands when it cools

so- if the lose shot-with a buffering to keep it form rattling - is not practical -

I may cast a plug out side the gun to a hair under the hole's diameter - then sleeve it in a thin medium density sheet of plastic to accommodate expansion and slide it in - its always a possibility i may need an adjacent small hole for more weight to regain the balance

[greg conomos]

You could use 'heavy metal' like they use for balancing crankshafts.

"Mallory metal is primarily a tungsten (W) alloy with a little copper (Cu) and nickel (Ni). Tungsten by itself is a very difficult, if not impossilble, to machine. Thus the reason for creating an alloy ("Mallory"). A very dense alloy; much more so than lead. The high cost is due to the tungsten content.

http://www.mallory.com/data/html/1300500.htm"


The other choice would be depleted uranium but you'd have issues with your gun glowing at night.

[John Cinkoske]

Why use DEPLETED Uranium? Why not undepleted? Then you could find your way out into the duck blind before daylight by the glow of the stock?
You might want to use SPF 100,000 lotion to counter any ill effects.....

[Jeff Christie]

I believe I read somewhere that Winchester put lead in the butt stocks of M12 Heavy Ducks to kill the muzzle heaviness. I have one but I've never looked. Maybe it's iron. At any rate the gun is still a little muzzle heavy which is OK.

[John Mazza]

Jeff - I heard the same thing. (But I never checked mine either...)

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, there is lead in the stock of a Model 12 3" gun. The barrel is also heavier than a standard Model 12 barrel. The heavier barrel was not about safety. Winchester would bore a standard Model 12 for 3" shells without a question.

[Brian Dudley]

I bet the lead in the butts of thise heavy 12s cause a few problems on some guns given the wet conditions that some of them saw.

[Jeff Christie]

I wouldn't be surprised if Model 12 Heavy Ducks are not eventually outlawed in California for containing lead.

[John Cinkoske]

Years ago I bought a M12 Duck Gun with a solid rib.
It had a round lead chunk fast in the stock somehow, but there was no sign of glue showing under the recoil pad.
That gun liked to beat me to death, it kicked me hard even with trap loads.
Must have been a terrible fit for me.
Needless to say I got rid of it.
I was about 19 or so when I had that one.