VHE 28 Gauge

[Mark Callanan]

So I have been contacted about buying a fairly late model 28 VHE
All original condition
I have been looking for a 28 for a number of years
I go to the serial number book and it shows a 12 gauge 30" vhe
As you can imagine this isn't a cheap parker price wise
I was wondering is any one had any insight into this all?

Thanks for any help

[George M. Purtill]

How "fairly late" is it?
You might want to PM me the serial number because I study late guns.
You also might want to order a REAL letter from Chuck Bishop. He has the real records that are better than the "book".

[Bill Murphy]

My insight is that the owner sent you the wrong serial number.

[George M. Purtill]

Excellent point Bill. It could be a simple transposition.

[Eric Eis]

And the other thing, the book is wrong many, many times :cuss: Jack Puglisi use say to me, the book was great most of the time and a "curse" other times , you could have a gun right as rain (as he use to say) but the book says a gun has 30" barrels but the gun you are looking at has 28" and they have not been cut with the end of rib matting, but now the gun is cursed because the book says so :shock: There are many misprints in "The Book". Just food for thought.

[John Powers]

I had a good one several years ago. The book showed the gun, a 12ga DH with 30" and the gun in front of me had 32", properly serialized and to the frame. I bought it and the letter indicated the following. Gun sent back a year after ownership to have the original barrels cut to 24". A year later, the gun was again sent back to have another set of barrels made in 32". So in this case, the book was right, and what I was looking at was right, you just never know until an actual letter is generated.

[Mark Callanan]

My insight is that the owner sent you the wrong serial number.

Bill

First off thanks for taking the time to help
I have held the gun and I took a pic of the serial number

[Mark Callanan]

And the other thing, the book is wrong many, many times :cuss: Jack Puglisi use say to me, the book was great most of the time and a "curse" other times , you could have a gun right as rain (as he use to say) but the book says a gun has 30" barrels but the gun you are looking at has 28" and they have not been cut with the end of rib matting, but now the gun is cursed because the book says so :shock: There are many misprints in "The Book". Just food for thought.

I have heard the same thing
In this case the Parker story lists all the 28 bore guns Parker made
This gun isn't listed there either
Again thanks for your help

[Chuck Bishop]

So what's the S/N????

I'll tell you if the "book" is wrong. Depending on how late the gun is, I would have the stock book or the IBM card, or both. It's also possible that Griffin & Howe will have records.

[Dean Romig]

Chuck - it is a 1930 gun. That explains a couple of things about the records.






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[Bill Murphy]

I wish you would post the serial number. Some of our members have information that is not posted in the PGCA files. If it is not in the serialization book, it won't be in the 28 gauge appendix because they both used the same source, the stock books. There are no order books in 1930. If it is a 00 frame gun, it is a real 28 gauge, regardless of what the serialization book says.

[Mark Callanan]

234425

[Chuck Bishop]

The serialization book is wrong. This gun is in stock book 81. Many of these stock books have ink stamps and pencil entries that are faded out over time or were not fully imprinted when stamped. In 234425's case, the grade is not readable but VH was written in in red ink. CPG is also written in in red ink but you can tell it was stamped CPG. The gauge and barrel length are totally unreadable and have nothing in red ink. The stock dimensions are readable as is the weight which is very light. It matches the other 28ga. guns listed on the same page.

It's a 28ga. gun.

Your welcome:)

[Mark Callanan]

Chuck
Very kind of you to take your time to help
So I assume no letter is available for this gun
Is there a way to buy what info is available?
Thanks....

[Bill Murphy]

It would be well worth the price to have a letter with the available information. You are one lucky guy to have this gun and to have Chuck as your researcher.

[Chuck Bishop]

Mark, as I said, there is stock book information on your gun but key info is not readable which would tell you the grade, gauge, and barrel length of that gun. The frame size is also not readable. You will get the stock dimensions, stock grip type, and the weight of the gun. This information plus the obvious engraving, barrel steel, barrel length with rib inscription, blank space at the end of the rib, ejectors, would make any potential buyer confident that it is a VHE, 28ga. gun. Your call if you want a research letter.

[edgarspencer]

234425

Contact Bob Beach at G&H, for his letter, after you get OUR letter. He will tell you who A&F sold it to, and everything to know about that person. He will also give you a copy of the A&F ledger page on which that gun is shown.

[Mark Callanan]

I got the information from Griffin and Howe
They give a lot of information about the gun and the original owners
I just wanted to see that it had original records
They ever tell where the guy that bought it is buried
TY Chuck for telling me to get in touch with them
Mr Beach was great to deal with

[edgarspencer]

My 28 was also sold by A&F. It's sn is a little higher than yours. You will notice that the A&F ledger page Mr. Beach provided you is for like grade guns, VH in your case but I believe their ledger pages mixed ejector and non ejector guns.
My GHE28 was purchased by a banker on his lunch hour. His boss accompanied him to A&F, and, as the ledger page indicates, also bought a GH grade gun (consecutive sales of G grade)
The banker's boss must have told him what to buy, because, when he speaks, people listen. His boss was EF Hutton.

[George M. Purtill]

My 20 VHE was sold by A&F to some guy named Hutton. Small world.

[edgarspencer]

Contact Bob Beach at G&H, for his letter, after you get OUR letter. He will tell you who A&F sold it to, and everything to know about that person. He will also give you a copy of the A&F ledger page on which that gun is shown.


TY Chuck for telling me to get in touch with them
Mr Beach was great to deal with

Actually, Mark, that was me, but, you're welcome

[Chuck Bishop]

So what's the S/N????

I'll tell you if the "book" is wrong. Depending on how late the gun is, I would have the stock book or the IBM card, or both. It's also possible that Griffin & Howe will have records.

So Edgar, what was this, chopped liver????

[edgarspencer]

:banghead: I give up

[Daryl Corona]

Play nice boys...:nono:

[Chuck Bishop]

You give up too easy:bigbye:

[edgarspencer]

It's also possible that Griffin & Howe will have records. Possible?

Contact Bob Beach at G&H, for his letter, after you get OUR letter. He will tell you who A&F sold it to, and everything to know about that person. He will also give you a copy of the A&F ledger page on which that gun is shown. Not only possible, I checked the G&H website for him. If Horace Greelyu worked for AA, and you wanted to get to California, you would be happy with 'Go West, Young Man".

My 20 VHE was sold by A&F to some guy named Hutton. Small world. Are you refering to the one I 'straw' bought for you? I though that was some young socialite in NYC? you have so many, I can't keep them all straight. Does your GH letter say "E.F.........."?

So Edgar, what was this, chopped liver????Yeah, pretty much.

[Dean Romig]

I don't think there's a copyright on the moniker C.O.B. Edgar. Maybe the other one would share?






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[Dave Suponski]

Not likely Dean...Besides Egger take's it to a WHOLE new level.....:rotf:

[Chuck Bishop]

Contact Bob Beach at G&H, for his letter, after you get OUR letter. He will tell you who A&F sold it to, and everything to know about that person. He will also give you a copy of the A&F ledger page on which that gun is shown.

I just knew you wouldn't give up and what do you mean "after you get OUR letter"? Since when did you start helping to write the letters?

Hopefully you'll be at Hausmanns. We'll settle this there:p

[Rick Losey]

Hopefully you'll be at Hausmanns. We'll settle this there:p

Don 't you need matched pair of 28s for a duel :draw:

[Daryl Corona]

I have two I'd donate for the match just as long as I get them back. Boy this is shaping up to be a worthwhile trip to Ernie's.:whistle:
Ten paces at high noon?:)

[Chuck Bishop]

With our physical ailments we would be lucky to hoist a beer!

[Mark Callanan]

Actually, Mark, that was me, but, you're welcome

Sorry

Thanks to ALL that helped ....

[edgarspencer]

what do you mean "after you get OUR letter"? Since when did you start helping to write the letters?

Listen, you old crank, you know "OUR" meant the collective PGCA, although I do love your letters. So much so, in fact that I even save all the one's requiring a "do over". That file, somewhat larger than the file of correct, and corrected letters gives me great amusement, much the way 'America's Funniest Videos" and all those TV Blooper clips give others amusement.

[edgarspencer]

I don't think there's a copyright on the moniker C.O.B. Edgar. Maybe the other one would share?
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and to think I opened a second bottle of wine for you. Turncoat!
BTW, in the case of that other C.O.B., does the C stand for Cantankerous or Cheap?

Not likely Dean...Besides Egger take's it to a WHOLE new level.....:rotf:Where did you come from, and who asked you?

I have two I'd donate for the match just as long as I get them back. Boy this is shaping up to be a worthwhile trip to Ernie's.:whistle:
Ten paces at high noon?:) Oh goody. I'll probably drop mine, but no worries; Chuck will miss anyway.

[Chuck Bishop]

I shoot like I rite. All in good fun.

Sorry for us hijacking your thread Mark. I'm glad you got the info you wanted.

[George M. Purtill]

[QUOTE=edgarspencer;195248]

Are you refering to the one I 'straw' bought for you? I though that was some young socialite in NYC? you have so many, I can't keep them all straight. Does your GH letter say "E.F.........."?



Edgar as usual you are maddeningly correct. The Hutton gun is a VHE 12 not a 20. The VHE 20 is the 18 year old socialites gun.

[edgarspencer]

[QUOTE=edgarspencer;195248]

Are you refering to the one I 'straw' bought for you? I though that was some young socialite in NYC? you have so many, I can't keep them all straight. Does your GH letter say "E.F.........."?



Edgar as usual you are maddeningly correct. The Hutton gun is a VHE 12 not a 20. The VHE 20 is the 18 year old socialites gun.

That 20 is a very cool gun!