What is it?

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Do not look the number up, notice the P stamped on the water table,

[Dean Romig]

Looks like a 16 or 20 gauge Grade 1 T/A with the check-hook and lightening cuts on the water table. Oh, and its a very late hammer gun.

Are the barrels Twist Steel?





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[Chuck Bishop]

I know! I know! I know the answer, I've got my hand up teacher! :whistle: Please call on me!

[Dean Romig]

:biglaugh:...... Chuck - he said NO LOOKING AT THE BOOKS!!! :rotf:






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[Chuck Bishop]

Damn:banghead:

[Rich Anderson]

It's an O frame so probably a 20 or 16. I agree with Dean that's it a T/A hammer gun but that's a no brainer being one of Garys guns. I bet it has twist barrels. The P referring to PT plain twist.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Actually, with the advent of the Vulcan nomenclature, a P grade was considered a grade 1 and the Vulcan an "0" grade if I'm not mistaken and plain twist barrels had long since been discontinued and Parker Twist was the name used.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

You guys are getting warm, gary

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Lets take a look at the buttplate

[John Cinkoske]

Looks sorta like this one in my thread...

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15434&page=3

[Dean Romig]

Could it be the only known 28 ga. Parker hammer gun? We know the 28 ga. Parkers were produced before that serial number.





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[Gary Carmichael Sr]

John, It is close but unfortunately it does not have steel barrels like the one in your photo

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

The reason I posted this gun is to try to find out the grade, The serial book says 0 grade, the gun is stamped P for a grade one, the barrels are twist and the barrel flats are so marked, I have sent for a letter, we shall see, Gary

[Dean Romig]

Come on Gary - give it up, what is it? A lightened 1-frame 12 gauge?






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[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Flats

[Dean Romig]

No matter how you slice it Gary, a P is a grade-1. But Twist Steel barrels were used on both grade-0 and hammer less grade-1 guns.






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[Rich Anderson]

I have a 16 hammer gun and I don't know for sure if its a grade 1 or an 0 grade either. It looks a lot like this less the condition but in it's defense it has 32 inch barrels.

So Gary is it a 16ga or a 20ga????????

[Bill Murphy]

Marked "P" is scarce in hammer guns, but it has been seen. Austin's #3 frame 12 gauge lifter is marked "P". These are grade 1 guns. Gary's gun is late for a small gauge top lever gun, or any top lever gun, but not as late as my Grade 2 top lever 16 #172,662, the last one. Odd that some of these late smallbore hammer guns have such heavy barrels.

[Kevin McCormack]

Not really, when you think about the fact that Parker, like most of the major pipe organ manufacturers of the day, always opted to use up "existing stocks" of tubes rather than turn new ones.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

It is a twenty gauge, top lever, Kevin I think you hit the nail on the head with reference to barrels and use of existing stock! Gary

[Dean Romig]

The hammerless Grade 1 guns were still fitted with Twist Steel barrels then so it would only make sense that an exposed hammer Grade 1 would use the same barrels.






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