Fox 20 ga

[Brian Hornacek]

Any AH Fox experts out there. I am looking at a 20 ga with ejectors and could use a little education/advice on value. 28" all original. If you have more candid advise than you wish to post please send me a private message.

Thanks!

[Robert Rambler]

I would ask these guys :)

http://foxcollectors.com/My%20Forum/phpBB3/

[Bill Anderson]

You can ask opinions, but that limits input to the number of members, about 300 on Fox collector site I think. Their opinions may not include recent sales, rather just what they recalled some years back when they happened to buy one. Best to look at auctions in the not so distant past or wait for future sales to see what the market is doing in actual "sold" guns, not what they are asking. I couldn't find any to match your Fox on Gunbroker in the last 90 days, but did find this AE 20, with a cracked pistol grip, on Gunsinternational (link listed below), but would not be sure of exact selling price since it is not an auction format. I have seen sales on Gunbroker for Fox AE 20s in the selling range of $4400 to $4800, but of course condition defines that price.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/fox-shotguns/a-h-fox-ae-20-ga.cfm?gun_id=100621633

Bill

[Dean Romig]

That's a beauty!! Snap it up quickly if the price is reasonable!




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[Craig Larter]

A AE 20ga in that condition is a $3000. gun (retail) in my opinion. The lacquer finish appears badly chipped (which is not uncommon) and the case color is maybe 10%. I have a list of 20 of our Fox collectors looking for just the gun pictured. Buy it!!

[Brian Hornacek]

Thanks guys, as Bill stated there are not a lot of these out there for sale and good comps are tough. I know a lot of our Family here cross into these so I figured I would get a good feel.

Brian

[Kevin McCormack]

Cannot agree with Craig more - assuming the price is reasonable (near his estimate) snag it now and wheedle about the small stuff later! A very desirable gun!

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Really nice little Fox. I recently picked up a Fox A 20-ejector gun-with a serial # about 1000 earlier than yours. Mine has 26" barrels and the factory order card shows it was ordered at cyl/cyl and 5lb 10 oz.
To help you out, I will tell you that I paid $2500 for mine--wish I could have paid less, but the others I have seen were a good bit more. I would just as soon it had 28" tubes. My Fox A 16 has always been one of my favorites, but I really haven't had much of a chance to shoot this one. Certainly, there are many on this forum, such as Craig, whose opinion I would value.

[Bill Anderson]

Unless the seller of this AE 20 you are looking at has been locked away someplace where there is no sales data available, you better be ready to pay a good bit more than $3000, unless you really don't care to own it that badly. Like I said at first, opinions are just that -opinions. Actual sales of late tell me they are going much higher.
Here is an A grade extractor sold not too long ago----

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520767687

Bill

[Phil Yearout]

Unless the seller of this AE 20 you are looking at has been locked away someplace where there is no sales data available, you better be ready to pay a good bit more than $3000, unless you really don't care to own it that badly. Like I said at first, opinions are just that -opinions. Actual sales of late tell me they are going much higher.
Here is an A grade extractor sold not too long ago----

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520767687

Bill

This.

[Dean Romig]

But the condition of the two guns are worlds apart.






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[Brian Hornacek]

Agree, the gunbroker gun is a dandy. I hope to get a deal done in the next couple days. I will follow up to the group then. Thanks!

[Craig Larter]

Good luck it's a nice gun. Let us know what you have to give. Thanks Craig

[Brian Dudley]

Well, we know that the gunbroker example is not a Parker, Smith or Ithaca.

I hate it when sellers do that crap.

[Mills Morrison]

Well, we know that the gunbroker example is not a Parker, Smith or Ithaca.

I hate it when sellers do that crap.

Me too. It is highly annoying and I try to boycott those sellers

[Bill Anderson]

Well, we know that the gunbroker example is not a Parker, Smith or Ithaca.

I hate it when sellers do that crap.

I own only one LC Smith just because of a listing like this. I was searching Remington doubles and a listing popped up "not Remington" and so on. The seller had a pre-1913 Pigeon grade with near excellent chain damascus barrels & ejectors. The wood was very good also, with no cracks. I would never have seen it otherwise as I have always gone around Smiths for some reason. You never know what you are going to find until you check all the listings.

Bill

[Tony Ambrose]

This.

Agree!

[Eric Eis]

I agree with Bill and Phil on the price

[Larry Stauch]

That is a great Fox with wonderful color and figure in the stock.

Is the Fox in your safe Brian?:corn:

[Brian Hornacek]

The deal was done and the guy called me the next morning before the check was going out and backed out. It happens and there is always another one when you are patient.

[Steve Huffman]

Should of offered him 5 $ more !

[Brian Hornacek]

It was a crazy deal, he contacted me through a reference, said it had been for sale with no luck at his local club for a year, we agreed on price and the next day he backs out. Ah well!

[tom tutwiler]

Not saying this is the case, but I have more then once had an agreement on a gun and the deal done and then received a phone call or email saying that the gun was no longer for sale. I surmise in both cases that someone called after me and offered more and the seller decided to go for a bigger dollar amount.

[Bill Anderson]

Like I tried to tell you, these 20 gauge AEs are doing really good now, oh well !

Bill

[Craig Larter]

Picked up a nice little 16ga A 5-12lbs 28" bbls with perfect screws and nice original finish with a bit of finish added to the forend for $3100. this week. Not an 20AE but in the same zip code. My estimate for the 20 AE the original topic was a little low but small bore Fox A's are out there for less than 4k in my opinion. To bad the deal for the 20 fell apart. Craig

[Bill Anderson]

There are a couple problems with waiting for a Fox AE 20 gauge under $4000 though. No. 1, where do you look and and how many years do you want to wait in searching for that price? And second, if they are that low, how many buyers will beat you to the purchase? :cuss:

Bill

[Larry Stauch]

I've learned the hard way that nothing replaces stepping up with extra cash when a good gun is on the line, especially if they're under priced to begin with.

[Kevin McCormack]

Sounds very much to me like the "jungle telegraph" may have done you in on this deal - similar to a "loose lips sink ships" type of deal, if you know what I mean.

I lost a screaming GHE Parker 16 ga. 32" gun about 15 years ago when, after I had made the seller a bona fide cash offer of $7500 and arranged a meeting place convenient to both of us. Three days later, the day before we agreed to meet, he called me up and said that after "consulting some Parker gun experts", he felt the true value of the gun was $10,500 and that was what he would accept, cash money only.

I told him that if they were the same Parker gun experts that had called me up fishing for a value on a gun they were "looking to buy", that they could all enjoy their $8000 gun together.

Same thing in reverse happened when I tried to buy a great 12 ga. 32" XE Fox; offered the buyer his stated price cash as we spoke (way north of $10K) after he told me the gun was not for sale, but "may be in a couple or three years." Three years shrunk into 3 months after the seller experienced a "downturn in personal finances" shortly thereafter, winding up virtually giving the gun away. By that time, I had found a better gun. 'Caveat venditor"!

[Rich Anderson]

Picked up a nice little 16ga A 5-12lbs 28" bbls with perfect screws and nice original finish with a bit of finish added to the forend for $3100. this week. Not an 20AE but in the same zip code. My estimate for the 20 AE the original topic was a little low but small bore Fox A's are out there for less than 4k in my opinion. To bad the deal for the 20 fell apart. Craig

Nice gun Craig I hope you bring it to hausmanns. There are a couple of nice small bore Fox's on Guns International right now.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Craig, I have a Fox A 16 also, and will bring to Ernies. It is a delite to carry and shoot. I picked up a Fox A 20 last fall and have not really shot it except for one day in the grouse woods last year where I blooded it. It is not pristine, but then again I did not pay top dollar for it. It has 26' cyl/cyl tubes and factory card showing that is how it was ordered. A delightful little grouse/quail gun for sure. I'll bring it also.

[Craig Larter]

Harold I would love to see your foxes. Sounds like another late afternoon parking lot gun show at Hausmann's.

[Craig Larter]

Harold I would love to see your foxes. Sounds like another late afternoon gun show shaping up at Hausmann's. Craig

[Frank Srebro]

........... Do you want to hear about a worse situation? How about an officer in a collector's organization that refuses to sell a "factory letter" on a gun that is an active sale gun on the internet, and then buys the gun out from under the fellow that is requesting the letter? This person refused to deliver an email letter, excusing this refusal, saying that this delivery of an email violates a procedure that had been changed that day. This happened on AHFCA, but it also happens all over the internet.

For those interested here are the FACTS.

1) The procedure for "letters" (actually card copies) was changed starting on January 1, 2010, and the gun in question came up on an internet auction site in late February 2010. That was eight weeks after the procedure change, not "that day". In fact the sticky citing that change is still on the Fox Member Forum and it's dated December 31, 2009. Easily checked if someone had the initiative to do so.

2) The "Officer" cited in the quote did not buy the gun, that is also incorrect. He was doing his role exactly as per the procedure that was communicated 8 weeks earlier. He did not "refuse to sell". He declined to post the card which would have been contrary to that procedure. In fact a copy of the card was emailed to the requestor on March 5 and he acknowledged receipt of same on that date. Furthermore anyone who requested the card copy (jpg image) could have posted it himself, same as posting a jpg such as a picture to share. Again, some initiative required.

3) Actually it was I who bought the gun when the auction ended on March 7 and I paid $4711. for it as the final bid of some 25 bids from many other Fox Collector Association enthusiasts including a distinguished collector and dealer, and that was after the gun was freely and openly discussed on the Fox Forum. My check was dated March 8 and I logged the gun into my C&R Bound book when received on March 15. I certainly didn't buy the gun from under the nose of anyone who was following that thread and/or had requested a letter (emailed card copy) as per the procedure that had been posted some eight weeks earlier.

4) I used the gun for one season of upland, didn't like it, and sold it for a top bid of $5000. the following year. Since then I've seen it offered on the internet three times. The last time, about 1 month ago, it was "on sale" at just a little over that figure. I mention this to demonstrate that the gun was bought at top market value in 2010 and is still at about what the market will pay.

To quote Sgt. Joe Friday, "just the facts, Ma'am".

Frank Srebro

[Bill Murphy]

Frank, thanks for coming out on this "happening". I'm sorry that I was not aware of the change in policy for AHFCA card forwarding, which had always been a nearly immediate forward of the card by email when paid. I have not read the "sticky" that you refer to as of today. I am also sorry I didn't see the refusal to forward the card as a matter of policy, which, I assume it now is. I also didn't regard the refusal as a coincidence in timing, the first time I had been refused. My apology is here, and I will pay closer attention to policy in the future.