Parker 20/28 gauge

[David Wall]

Hello all, i am not a gun guy but recently inherited my grandfathers shotgun.I live near Boston and i am looking to establish value and to ultimately sell this piece. Serial #156670. Type V. It has a 20 and 28 gauge vulcan steel barrels.Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Please join our organization as only members can sell or buy on this forum.. Please post good pics and one of our astute members will help with an informed opinion of your gun. Membership is well worth the $40.00 annually. Jim

[Dean Romig]

My earlier post Deleted due to Forum Rules.




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[David Wall]

Hello all have attached photos of my 20/28 gauge shotgun. As you can see it is in great shape. Looking to determine value.

http://imgur.com/a/oj3sG

[George M. Purtill]

I cant think of a number but that gun is worth a lot of money,

[George M. Purtill]

And don't sell it to someone who PMs you.

[David Wall]

Thanks George. What is a lot of money in your opinion?

[David Wall]

Sorry Finishing my last message my email isdwall0491@gmail.com

[Dean Romig]

Are both sets of barrels 24 inches long?




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[George M. Purtill]

I am not near my library. Is this gun in the books and or can a letter be obtained for it? Update- there are records for your gun. You are a member- order a letter. Best $42 you will spend.

[Eric Eis]

Thanks George. What is a lot of money in your opinion?

Value of the gun will vary "greatly" depending on whether or not the barrels have been cut. That's why you need to join and get a letter on it.

[Mike Franzen]

That is an extraordinary piece of wood for a V grade. David can you post a pic of the muzzle looking straight into the bore and one from above showing the end of the barrels near the sight bead?

[Dean Romig]

David, I can't get an email to you... it keeps getting returned.

I live in Andover and I would like to help you to get a fair evaluation on your Parker.

I'll put you in touch with people who can do that for you.

dsromig@aol.com or 978-621-9338

Dean





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[Bob Hayes]

Why not sell it to someone who pm's him.

[David Wall]

One barrel is 22inches long.

[David Wall]

Having a hard time posting photos but could send you photos from my I phone to your email account.

[Bill Murphy]

The 22" barrel; 20 or 28, left or right?:):)

[Dean Romig]

The 28 ga. barrels are 22" in length.






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[edgarspencer]

I'm having a hard time getting beyond 24" barrels weighing 3 pounds, 2 ounces, when both of my 28" 20 ga barrels weigh 3 pounds even.

[Bill Murphy]

Left, right, or both 22"? My 18" B grade ten gauge barrels are fairly light also.

[Dean Romig]

Bill, do they letter at 18 inches?





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[Jason Wall]

Hello everybody
This thread is over three years old but I am picking up where my father, David, left off in trying to identify and ultimately sell this gun. I own several shotguns but know very little about Parker or this particular gun. We still have it in our possession and I have uploaded some better quality photos as well as the records letter from Parker: https://imgur.com/a/XdOD5iZ

The 28 gauge barrel set is 22" and the 20 gauge barrel set is 24". I looked at the guide on this website to help determine if the 22" has been cut and to my untrained eye, I see no signs that it has been (I'm referring to the guide: http://parkerguns.org/pages/faq/CutBarrels.htm).

So I guess ultimately we still want to sell it, and will renew club membership which we allowed to expire to be able to post in the "for sale" forum. Is there any additional info we should try to ascertain before attempting to sell? We were never able to get a good idea of fair price/value either.

One other thing I should mention is that there are some small areas of rust maybe in 3 or 4 places that have started to form, I have since oiled it but am not sure what else can be done to remove the rust and prevent more from forming. I don't have a gun case. Any suggestions here are much appreciated.

-Jason

[Dean Romig]

Before even mentioning a gun for sale on this forum you MUST be a paid up PGCA Member.





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[Jason Wall]

OK, Dean understood. Just paid my membership fee :)

[Mills Morrison]

Very interesting gun. It is hard, if not impossible, to judge value by photos on the internet alone. There are a bunch of PGCA members in the Massachusetts, New England area who would help you. If you have some documentation to go along with the gun including old photos and the like, it should increase the value too

[John Davis]

Who would have thought the 22 inch barrels were original? Nice gun.

[edgarspencer]

Particularly nice gun, despite the evidence of the 20ga barrels being cut. I would argue that the documented length of the 28ga barrels is a large bonus.
Interesting that the butt plate is from the Remington period.
I would caution you to get more than one appraisal before setting a price to sell your gun.

[Brett Souder]

I would ask a high price and wait for the counter offers to come in. I think it was worth more three years ago when you started this thread. The double gun market is pretty soft to say the least, definitely a buyers market. It’s only worth what the next buyer is willing to pay for it.
- Brett

[edgarspencer]

The double gun market is pretty soft to say the least, definitely a buyers market. I think the strength of the double market depends entirely on the category the gun falls into. The common configurations, and large bore guns aren't moving at the prices they used to, but the small bore market is holding it's own. 28 gauge is hotter now than it's been and those guns, which have condition and uniqueness are highly sought after. A quick look at several recent auctions will demonstrate this

It’s only worth what the next buyer is willing to pay for it.
- Brett Hasn't this always been the case?

[Jason Wall]

Yes some other members think the gun has been restocked but I don't know when, since my grandfather passed I know almost nothing about the gun's history other than I used it to shoot trap maybe ten years ago.

We are not in a huge rush to sell so we will definitely do our research and get multiple opinions. Besides this forum where are good places to get such appraisals, particularly in the New England area?

[edgarspencer]

Yes some other members think the gun has been restocked

That may be the case, and maybe not. It has a comb similar to what Remington would have provided, and it has an Illion (Remington) butt plate, though none of that troubles me, because it A) Matches the Letter, and B) Is clearly a correct Parker Stock. Perhaps just check the length of Pull. Measure from the front trigger to the center of the butt plate. If it measures 13 1/2", as the letter states, that lends to it's originality. If it measures greater, then one could probably assume it is a (correct) restock.

[Jason Wall]

I am measuring the LOP at 14 1/4" so contradicts records. I met another forum member here in person who is pretty positive it has been restocked as well. The guess is by DelGrego as there are no Remington markings that would be expected from a Remington restock (as I understand it)...

What do you mean by a "correct" Parker stock?
Thanks
-Jason

[Dean Romig]

Jason, I’ll explain it all to you tomorrow.

Best,
Dean





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[edgarspencer]

I am measuring the LOP at 14 1/4" so contradicts records. I met another forum member here in person who is pretty positive it has been restocked as well. The guess is by DelGrego as there are no Remington markings that would be expected from a Remington restock (as I understand it)...

What do you mean by a "correct" Parker stock?
Thanks
-Jason
Kind of self explanatory, but what I mean is it clearly looks like a stock which would have been made by Remington. DelGrego bought all the remaining Parker parts from Remington, so if someone says it's "by" Delgrego, it would mean to me that he restocked it using a stock from Remington. None of this hurts the value of the gun.
Jason, I’ll explain it all to you tomorrow.

Best,
Dean.Ha! I might have known

[Dean Romig]

I’m just happy to be of assistance to anyone. The fact that Jason lives right here in MA makes it very easy for him. We live about an hour apart and rest assured, I have no interest in buying his Parker at this point. I just bought a Parker I have always wanted.





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[Dean Romig]

Jason Wall drove to my home today and he brought the gun with him so I could examine the gun and give him my opinion of it.

It is a very nice 0-Frame VH in very good condition.

The 20 gauge barrels which have been cut from 28" are now 22" with no choke whatsoever. There are no Remington codes on this set of barrels

The 28 gauge barrels are in their original 22" and have .008" of constriction in the right and .015" of constriction in the left. There are no Remington codes on this set of barrels.

The butt stock is a replacement and Jason allowed me to loosen and move the trigger guard tang to one side to see what, if any, stamps were there to ascertain who replaced it. I was hoping to see the serial number stamped with LDG indicating a Del Grego replacement or possibly stamps indicating a Remington replacement.... the wood under the long trigger guard tang had no marks at all so that leaves a pretty big question mark.

Next, Jason allowed me to remove the Remington era butt plate in the hope there would be something there that would shed some light on the maker...

The only thing there was a man's name, town & state, and the date. Jason smiled and said it was the gentleman who sold the gun to his grandfather.

Judging by the fluting at the nose of the comb, the checkering, and the very late Remington era butt plate, it is my opinion that it was a Del Grego replacement.
The wood of both forends is original, judging by the dark oil staining in the wood, but it they have been re-checkered and refinished.

Anything else folks may want to know about the gun can be asked of Jason.





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[Jason Wall]

Thanks for the report and advice Dean! Great to meet you yesterday.

[Bill Murphy]

Not long ago, the 20 gauge barrels were 24". Now they are 22". Have they been cut to match the 28 gauge barrels? This will not increase the value, nor will any further modification.

[Dean Romig]

I may have erred in the length of the 20 gauge barrels. The gun is not in my posession so Jason can give you the correct length.





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[Rick Roemer]

I really think it’s great that PGCA members are so willing to help folks. The mark of a great organization.

[Mills Morrison]

Very true Rick.

[Russ Jackson]

Dean , GOOD JOB ! Did you mention to Jason ,since he knows the mans name which sold the Parker to his Grand Father that it would be in his best interest to call Larry D. since they didn't keep serial#'s but they did /do keep records by customers names !

[Dean Romig]

No I didn't think to tell him that. Thanks for the reminder Russ

Jason, if you're reading this, you should definitely contact Lawrence Del Grego in Ilion, NY to ask him if he can supply any information about the work they may have done for the man who sold it to your grandfather.





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[Russ Jackson]

I drove the whole way from my place to Larrys to show him my 410 BHE Upgrade that was upgraded by his Grand Father and Robert Runge for Otis Odom ,he was very helpful with his insight and very willing to share his knowledge ! It was quite a trip , some seven hours each way I believe, but he knew about the gun and even wrote me a letter of authenticity ! My Wife and I enjoyed visiting with Larry and he spent a large part of his day showing us some very cool Parkers in his shop ! He also looked the CHE 20 Gauge over and felt it was all Parker original even the unique checkering and the Serial # stamps on the stock fit the original Stamps ,very cool to see some of the original tools ! If he remembers Jason's Grand Father or has record of the man that sold him the gun , Jason will enjoy visiting with Larry very much !

[Jason Wall]

The 20 gauge barrel set is 24".

I'll give Larry a call and keep you all updated. So great that everybody is helping out with this, I really appreciate it! Very cool community here.

[Dean Romig]

Jason - What's the latest on this gun?

Did you ever speak with Lawrence DelGrego?





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[Jason Wall]

Hi Dean, I did, he did not have any records matching the name of the previous owner. He said he'd need to see the gun to confirm but I won't be getting to NY anytime soon. It's also possible if he did restock this one that it was done by another owner that I'm not aware of. Too bad they never recorded serial numbers.

[Dean Romig]

I agree that recording serial numbers of guns they worked on would have been a far better way to find records. Owners change over time but serial numbers remain constant.





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[Brian Dudley]

In reviewing the photos you had linked to another post. The gun certainly IS a an older Delgrego “restoration”. It has many telltale signs of it.

[Dean Romig]

That was my opinion Brian when I examined the gun.





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