HELP - Ejector problem?

[allen newell]

Was at the range today shooting my first round of trap with my 12 ga. DHE. After several rounds fired, the gun would not break open fully, nor close (as best I recall). I was able to remove the fore end from the barrels and separate the barrels from the frame. Put the barrels back on the frame and closed the breech with no issue but fore end would not go back on.

The extractors/ejectors that are housed inside the barrels slide fine. I'm thinking that there's something amiss with the ejector mechanism inside the fore end.

Have taken pictures of the parts, just in case some one more knowledgeable than me may have some insight. Any thoughts/suggestions?

[Jeff Kuss]

Looks to me like the ejector hammers need to be cocked. That is usually the problem.

[Patrick Butler]

If you search this forum you can find out how to push back and cock the ejectors one at a time. The corner of a wood workbench works, but be careful. Those springs are strong. The hammers must also be cocked to install the forend. You can also fing how to do that here. Needless to say, but I will, never try to force on a forend and always press down behind the latch, to avoid breaking the wood.

If you have any problems, a good double gun smith is a lot cheeper than a replacement for- end.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1625&highlight=ejector+cocking

Also, if the firing pin hammers are uncocked, see B Dudley's response #5 to this thread:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17120&highlight=ejector

Best,
Patrick Butler

[allen newell]

Gents, I read Dennis Potters text on this subject and was able to re-cock the ejectors without any difficulty. I then put the barrels back on the frame, re-attached the fore end and placed two snap caps in the chambers and proceeded to dry fire the gun twice. Both times the ejectors worked fine with no problem.

But this leaves me still wandering in the wilderness. Why didn't the hammers re-cock when I was at the range shooting? And is this event likely to occur again? Do I still need to have a competent 'smith' like Dan Cullity (who lives 8 miles from me or less) take the fore end components apart and inspect? Got a 1000 bird Tower Shoot at Markover on Dec 10 and I was planning to take this 31 inch barreled DHE along with another Parker as backup. :banghead:

Patrick, thanks

[Richard Flanders]

Maybe the ejector system is a tad worn and you didn't open the guite enough to cock them? I have a VH12 that has to be opened all the way or the hammers won't cock.

[allen newell]

Don't know Richard, I'll take it to the range tomorrow and shoot it and see if the same thing happens. All I remember is that when this happened today at the range, the gun would not break open all the way and recock. I had to remove the fore end in order for the barrels to be released .

[charlie cleveland]

could have been a shell that was swelled a little bit or the brass was a little oversize..this would make the gun hard to cock was the spent shells eject ok when this happened...charlie

[allen newell]

Charlie, I was shooting 1 oz reloads. I don't recall the shells being ejected as the gun would not break open all the way. I think I pulled the spent shells out after the fore end was removed and I could get the barrels off the frame. We'll see if it happens again tomorrow. I'll say an extra prayer in church before I go to the range,

[Dean Romig]

I think those are two separate and unrelated problems.

The reason that the gun wouldn't open might remain a mystery but removing the forend after the gun was fired and not fully opening the gun before removing it is what caused the non-cocking of the ejector hammers.

If it happens again that you can't open the gun you should go to a different shell.





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[allen newell]

Thanks Dean. Actually, I was going to take some RST loads tomorrow and shoot them to see if there was a problem. We'll see

[allen newell]

It happened again yesterday on the last 2 rounds of skeet. Had to disassemble as before and re-cock the ejector hammers. Dropped the gun off with Dan Cullity today. WTF!

[Bob Hardison]

Allen: That's terrible product service life. It should be covered under warranty!:rolleyes: Good luck on the repair. I have read that Parker ejectors can be a nightmare to repair.:) Bob

[John Campbell]

In frustration, I once wrote a magazine feature entitled "Ejectors Are Rubbish."

And while I certainly appreciate the mechanical magic of double gun ejectors, they do tend to invite problems.

And only a very good ejector man can fix them correctly. Especially Greener ejectors!

As a result, I now now prefer nicely kept extractor guns. They are universally foolproof... albeit less magical.

[allen newell]

Kensal, I was thinking the same thing. Dan Cullity has worked on Parker ejectors before and being only 8 miles from my house, having Dan work on this gun made infinite sense rather than shipping it out. I have fired this gun perhaps 200 times and only 2 malfunctions, but that's 2 too many! Why it's intermittent, I do not know but Dan will figure it out, And hopefully, it won't require fab'ing any new parts. Hopefully there's just some crud somewhere that's throwing a wrench in the works. One can only hope. Brad has a VHE that he's in the process of re-stocking ad this VHE has not given me any problems, so not all ejectors are problematic. (I hope!)

[edgarspencer]

Crud in the ejector sear would explain them not staying cocked, but that doesn't explain the problem with not being able to open the gun. I suspect something may be jamming the ejector hammers from going back, which would also prevent the gun from opening.

[Brian Dudley]

I personally have had a lot of trouble with RST hulls in ejector guns. Especially reloaded RST hulls. Some of those problems are the gun being hard to open due to the brass sticking in the chamber and not wanting to lift out.

[allen newell]

Gents, perhaps I was not fully clear in describing the problem. When it malfunctions, the gun is broken open, the shells are ejected but I am unable to close the gun. The gun locks in the open position I then remove the fore end, then I'm able to remove the barrels from the frame. I pull out the ejector rods (?) then I put the fore end back on the barrels and push the rods back in each to cock the ejector hammers. I then remove the fore end and mount the barrels back on the frame, re-attach the fore end and I'm good to go until this happens again. Twice thus far. I walked Dan Cullity through this process and hopeful he can figure it out. I only reload and shoot Remington Gun Club shells w/ 1 oz loads.

[edgarspencer]

Gents, perhaps I was not fully clear in describing the problem. When it malfunctions, the gun is broken open,

Was at the range today shooting my first round of trap with my 12 ga. DHE. After several rounds fired, the gun would not break open fully,


Perhaps when you said it would not fully open is what confused me to think it would not fully open.

[allen newell]

I mis spoke Edgar. When it last malfunctioned, I paid much closer attention to noting everything. When I opened the gun, the two shells were ejected, but it apparently did not re-cock, nor could I close the gun. I then went through all the steps that I've indicated above.