Single trigger Trojan

[Keith Landfried]

Hello, I am not an experienced Parker collector so please be patient with my lack of knowledge. I have serial number 205415 with single trigger. How do I determine if this is a factory trigger or a modified gun? Gun is 12 gauge, #2 frame, Trojan Steel barrels, grade vhe with 26 inch tube chocked skeet and skeet. Also has a pistol grip stock with what i believe is a rosewood grip cap. I would estimate the bluing at 80% and would consider this gun in good condition. Thank you for any assistance you may share with me.

[Rick Losey]

Do the barrels number to the gun?

VHE and Trojan are different grades, the barrels may be replacements I would expect the rib on a VHE to say Vulcan Steel

I am away from my book at the moment. But someone should be along soon to post the original specs, which should confirm barrels and factory extras

[Keith Landfried]

The barrels are marked Trojan Steel. I screwed up the grade. Gun is not VHE but is actually marked OV.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Not in the book

[Rick Losey]

The barrels are marked Trojan Steel. I screwed up the grade. Gun is not VHE but is actually marked OV.

OK. So Trojan all the way

[Keith Landfried]

Does not in the book mean is was an aftermarket modification?

[Harry Collins]

Keith,

We have a Parker Identification and Serialization Book. There are many serial numbers that are not in that book and in your case there are no 205,000 - 206,000. Trojans were one of the best Parkers made. Not the most expensive in fact they were the least expensive yet they were a simple design and very sturdy. Being the cheapest the only option was barrel length and gauge. As I remember a 12 gauge Trojan could be had in 28" or 30" barrels and were either modified and full or full and full choke. My suspicion is that your Parker was spawned a 28" gun and was cut to 26" and that would account for some choke remaining in the gun. The single trigger is most likely after market.

Kindest,
Harry

[Rick Losey]

Does not in the book mean is was an aftermarket modification?

No. It simply means the records for this gun were not available when the book was put together

Good pictures of the trigger may help someone identify it

I would expect options to be unusual in the Trojan grade, but not unheard of

[Brian Dudley]

Photos would help in order to determine if the trigger is even a Parker trigger. We coild likely answer your question easily that way.

[Dave Suponski]

Single trigger Trojan grade guns are found but are not common

[Bill Murphy]

We need pictures of the trigger to determine whether it is a Parker trigger. We need pictures of the rib at the muzzle and the muzzle face to determine whether your gun was originally a 26" gun. Some aftermarket triggers are not that much of a detriment to a well used Trojan.

[Brian Dudley]

Just the fact that the gun has a rosewood grip cap makes me want to wager that this gun is heavily altered from its original configuration.

[Keith Landfried]

working on pictures as requested. May take a few days. Thank you to everybody for trying to help me.

[Keith Landfried]

OK, here are a few pictures for your review. Hopefully these reveal some info to help determine the guns lineage. Thanks.

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Trigger_zpsqbzdrked.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Trigger_zpsqbzdrked.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Muzzles%20front_zpstmof3ile.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Muzzles%20front_zpstmof3ile.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Muzzles%20top_zpst9vucyne.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Muzzles%20top_zpst9vucyne.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Right%20profile%202_zpssizuompu.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Right%20profile%202_zpssizuompu.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Grip%20cap_zpscgcoajl9.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Grip%20cap_zpscgcoajl9.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Breech%20block%202_zpspfar1rl9.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Breech%20block%202_zpspfar1rl9.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Breech%20block%201_zpsczjohowc.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Breech%20block%201_zpsczjohowc.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah140/landfried/Rib%20lettering%202_zps8sdd4fe7.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/landfried/media/Rib%20lettering%202_zps8sdd4fe7.jpg.html)

[greg conomos]

I don't know anything about single triggers but I think that one is not original based on those two little pins.

[Brian Dudley]

Stock not original, Barrels are cut and the single trigger is not original.

[Dave Noreen]

Someone made a Trojan Skeet Gun. Replacement wood, probably cut barrels and probably a Miller single trigger. We need a shot of the safety slide on the top tang to see if it is selective or not.

When the Trojan Grade was introduced in 1912, it was offered in 12-guge with 28- or 30-inch barrels and only 28-inch barrels in 16- and 20-gauges. The first catalogue that I have that includes 26-inch barrels for all three gauges in 1923. The only catalogue I have that shows the option of a single trigger on the Trojan Grade is the 1937 Remington-era catalogue.

[Keith Landfried]

The safety does not have a barrel selector.

[Keith Landfried]

I made a verbal promise to the man who gave me the gun that I would never sell it and that it would go to my son upon my demise. I am assuming since the gun has been heavily altered it does not have any significant value? Maybe a couple grand tops?

[Richard Flanders]

Regardless of what cash value it has, it's an unusual and interesting Parker and will likely shoot as well as any Parker worth 10x as much and should make a great skeet and grouse and woodcock gun in heavy cover. So, go out and shoot the hell out of it and be proud of it. I sure would be.

[Brian Dudley]

When you are talking fair market value, more like $500.
A couple grand would be for a Trojan that is not altered and has a lot of original condition.

If it didnt cost you anything and it shoots well for you, then it is what it is.

[Bill Murphy]

Does it have "MILLER" stamp on the shank of the trigger? I think the Millers made a few non selective triggers, although I've never seen one.

[George M. Purtill]

I made a verbal promise to the man who gave me the gun that I would never sell it and that it would go to my son upon my demise.

Keep your promise. That is worth more than the gun.
Your son will love a well used Parker Trojan. I know I did and I gave it to my son with a proviso that it would go to his son or daughter.

[Kevin McCormack]

Does it have "MILLER" stamp on the shank of the trigger? I think the Millers made a few non selective triggers, although I've never seen one.

Yes you have - the Miller trigger in my big straight grip BHE vent rib trap & pigeon gun was non-selective.

[Brian Dudley]

I too have seen a non-selective miller. The trigger itself looks like a miller on this Trojan, but i am not too familiar with a miller that uses two pins in the trigger plate like that.

[Dean Romig]

Keith, I like your Trojan a lot! It has real character and in my opinion was transformed into a very neat little skeet gun. It has been used a lot since its transformation but certainly not abused. Enjoy it and shoot it a lot. You'll have some serious fun with that Trojan at the skeet field or in the tight and brushy uplands.




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[Fred Preston]

I think the nice little Trojan 20 made for young Larry DelGrego by his grandfather carries a non-selective Miller single trigger.

[Chad Hefflinger]

I like this gun as well. My first parker is a 16 ga Trojan that was converted to a straight stock with a beavertail forend, chambers and forcing cones pushed out and chokes opened up to skeet in/out. I purchased this from an old grouse hunter and a fine gentleman. This gun shoots where I look, and is the gun that got me hooked on upland hunting and SxS guns. It has absolutely no collector value, but would be the last gun I ever part with.

[Patrick Lien]

I don't think it is a Miller trigger in that Trojan. Here is Miller Non selective.

PML

[Dave Noreen]

Since Pat showed it is not a Miller, I've had a change of heart --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Parker/Atlas%20Single%20Trigger%20for%20Parkers_zps5qjc2a wb.jpeg

[Dean Romig]

So those two pins retain the "small I shaped block" - I think you've nailed it Dave.





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