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charlie cleveland
10-04-2015, 07:39 PM
loaded up some short 10 ga this evening and shot 5 shells at my favorite target at a dr pepper can at 70 steps...they averaged 2 shots to a can...at 45 steps the can was riddled pretty good....i used 22 grains of green dot and 1 1/4 ounce of lead...not too much recoil but not a weak load...i m going to load some to use on squirls should be a good load...charlie

Paul Harm
10-05-2015, 08:48 AM
In my 10 I've been using 21.5grs and 1 1/16oz of lead. They sure break clay birds real good, and not much recoil.

William Davis
10-05-2015, 09:25 AM
I have pretty much settled on 22.5 Green Dot 1 1/8 oz shot in the 2 7/8 inch 10. Not that other powders won't work it's just that GD works well in the 10 and I don't use it for other gauges. My Parker Hammer gun at 10 lbs works fine with a stronger charge but the Ithaca Super 10 at a little over 9 lbs feels better with the lighter load.

In fact loading 400 10's now for the Fall Southern SxS, This year leaving the 12G guns at home, going to shoot everything but the sub gauge with the 10

William

Mark Garrett
10-05-2015, 09:36 AM
Charlie , what size shot are using for them squirrels ?

Paul Harm
10-05-2015, 11:39 AM
Shoot the sub gauges with the 10 - they won't notice.

charlie cleveland
10-05-2015, 07:11 PM
i m useing no 6 lead in the 10 ga...i prefer no 5 for early season with lots of leaves to shoot through...but i m out of 5 s so useing the other...charlie

Pete Lester
10-05-2015, 07:14 PM
Alliant actually has a published load using 29 grains of Green Dot in a Federal Hull (3.5"), with an 1 1/4 of lead shot. Win 209 primer, SP 10 wad with 6 .135 cards for filler. Velocity is 1265, pressure 8800.

I used this as a baseline and load 27 gr GD with 1 1/4 ounce lead in a 2 7/8" Fed hull. SP10 wad and 1/4" fiber filler. I have shot a lot of crows with this load through composite barrel guns without issue.

John E. Williams
10-05-2015, 11:33 PM
I'm shopping about for a 10 gauge and am fascinated by this loading you boys are talking about. Sounds like something along the lines of field artillery or an anti-personnel mine, frickin 29 grains of Green Dot?!?! :clap:

William Davis
10-06-2015, 04:33 AM
I started with Green Dot charges as high as 27 grains and 1 1/4 oz. way to much recoil for me or the guns stock. 22.5 GD and 1 1/8 oz is a fine target load. Can't imagine any good reason to charge a vintage 10 G gun with 29 grains even if the published load shows low pressure. JB used it as a baseline not a load he is shooting.

Fellow gave me some RST # 6 factory loads and they are punishing to shoot in my light Ithaca. Not so bad in the Parker Hammer Gun. And recoil is subjective, with the individual gun key. Targets am shooting 100 plus in a day easy shooting in the light gun is important. Paul's 21.5 and 1 1/16 oz looks attractive to me.

Going to work up a 10 G crow load. It's probably going to be 1 1/4 oz # 7 and a very little bit more GD than 22.5 I will be looking for about 1150 fps. I may end up with as much as 26 Grains. Chronograph will tell.

Key to these 10 G loads is the fiber wad, let's you set the charges height for good crimps with light charges powder or shot.

William

Pete Lester
10-06-2015, 05:00 AM
I started with Green Dot charges as high as 27 grains and 1 1/4 oz. way to much recoil for me or the guns stock. 22.5 GD and 1 1/8 oz is a fine target load. Can't imagine any good reason to charge a vintage 10 G gun with 29 grains even if the published load shows low pressure. JB used it as a baseline not a load he is shooting.

Fellow gave me some RST # 6 factory loads and they are punishing to shoot in my light Ithaca. Not so bad in the Parker Hammer Gun. And recoil is subjective, with the individual gun key. Targets am shooting 100 plus in a day easy shooting in the light gun is important.

Going to work up a 10 G crow load. It's probably going to be 1 1/4 oz # 7 and a very little bit more GD than 22.5 I will be looking for about 1150 fps. I may end up with as much as 26 Grains. Chronograph will tell.

William

Run your load through a Chrono, I bet you'll find 26-27 gr Green Dot is under 1200 fps.

BTW the Alliant load in 3.5" used 29.5 gr GD. Larger shot at slower velocity beats small shot at higher velocity every time.

I settled on 1 1/8 ounce of 6 pushed along by 19 gr of Red Dot for crows. The tight chokes and 6's knock them down as far as I can shoot 'em.

William Davis
10-06-2015, 05:11 AM
You are probably right it's going to take more GD to get the velocity with 1 1/4 oz. I can use the load in my Parker only while the target load needs to be used in both guns.

Agree with you on shot size and 6 problem is three clubs I belong to only one allows 6 for targets and like to shoot a load on targets a lot before taking it hunting . Plan on doing some testing 6 vs 7 see if I can get the # 7 to work .

William

Harry Collins
10-06-2015, 08:42 AM
I had been loading 1 1/8 oz with 7625 and 1 1/4 oz with 4756. I have plenty of 4756 and no 7625. I am having a terrible time finding any powders for shotgun. What I have for 12 gauge is not worth loading as the price of lead is so high store bought shells are cheeper. I have saved what shot I have for sub gauge.

William Davis
10-06-2015, 11:01 AM
We can get about any Alliant powder locally, gun club bulk orders are starting to be filled too. Afraid higher prices are the new normal though

William

charlie cleveland
10-06-2015, 07:01 PM
i too like the red dot load of 19 grains and 1 1/8 ounce of shot...no 6...and it does fine on those squirls out to 45 yards real good...charlie

Paul Harm
10-07-2015, 09:57 AM
I load 12ga all the time for SC's but only use 3/4oz of shot. The price is way below factory ammo - about 3.50/box. But then I order from a distributer through my club and buy in quantity for lower prices. Shot is 36 a bag, primers 110/5000 and wads around 88/5000. Power is from 80 to 110 for 8 pounds, but hard to get right now. I've been using some I hadn't before like Green Dot and American Select. They both seem like great powders. We usually put in a 6 to 8000 dollar order about four times a year so they hold powder for us which is nice.

charlie cleveland
10-07-2015, 07:00 PM
paul you boys sure burn up a lot of powder....just hope we all can get the powder we need and shot....charlie