Frame size / value

[Daniel G Rainey]

Outside of condition of the gun, how large a part does frame size play in value. If there were two 12 PH gun of equal condition and one was a 2 frame and the other a 1 frame or 1 1/2 frame would there be a price difference ? If so how much? Am new to Parkers and trying to learn. Dan

[Chris Travinski]

Smaller frame 410-16s seem more desirable and larger frame 12-10s also. Depends what you want to do with it, are you going to carry it or float around in a boat with it?

[Dean Romig]

I don't think frame size has much, or anything, to do with value given equal condition, gauge, grade of gun. All things being equal on a 12 gauge I would choose the 1-frame.
That's just a personal preference.





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[Robin Lewis]

I personally think frame size plays a small part in pricing a Parker. It is more likely to be a factor to a hunter/shooter that is concerned more with weight and feel than scarcity. There are two major factors that drive the value of a Parker. #1 condition, condition and condition. #2 gauge; the smaller the gauge the higher the price compared to a gun of similar condition in a bigger gauge (8 ga may be an exception).

[William Davis]

12s I have 1 1 1/2 & 2 frames. Each best for its intended use. I don't think frame size had much if anything to do with purchase price. Condition and general configuration barrel Length, choke,etc,did.

William

[greg conomos]

I agree with above except for myself I devalue the #2 frame for the simple fact that they used it for so many guns. Plus it tends to be a tad heavier and larger than I like for a 12. Otherwise I don't care.

[Bill Holcombe]

It's somewhat personal. Some prefer smaller frame others larger. I have a 1 frame 12 and love it, but I don't find a big difference between it and my 1.5 and 2 frame 12s.

My dream gun though is a long barreled 12 on a 3 frame...while I am dreaming, throw in a set of matching 10 gauge barrels.

[charlie cleveland]

king there is a few 3 frame 12 ga s out there maybe someday you will get that gun...i ve got a shooter 3 frame 12 and ireally like it...i agrre and 8 ga might be more desireable to some folks like me...charlie

[Mike Franzen]

I like 1 frame 12's for hunting because they tend to be a little lighter. I like 2 frames for target shooting because I think they are better able to handle the wear and tear of high capacity shooting.

[Paul Ehlers]

There's always those kicker one-off guns as well. I just saw a very high condition 32" Damascus GHE 16ga on a #2 frame sell locally here in the five figure range. The price was driven primarily by condition, but you have to admit 32" sixteens on a two frame are far & few between.

You should see the CHE 32" Damascus 12ga on a three frame that was with the sixteen.

[Mills Morrison]

0 frame 16 gauges seem to be desirable and command a premium.

[Bill Murphy]

Paul, that must be some hardware store you frequent.

[Chuck Bishop]

1/2 frames are the only frame sizes that seem to bring a premium in 12 ga. There are guys that collect that size due to it's rarity.

[Paul Ehlers]

Bill,

It is a nice hardware store for sure.

Another gun that came in with the Parkers I mentioned is something down your alley. A high condition 8 Bore Greener. The family that has owned these guns for decades must have a water fowler somewhere in their gene pool.

[Bill Murphy]

I sent a PM. Let me know if your receive it.

[charlie cleveland]

i think a 3 frame 12 will bring a premium over a 2 frame 12 ga....charlie

[Eric Grims]

0 frame 16 gauges seem to be desirable and command a premium.
That has certainly been my impression as traded some guns and accumulated 16s over the past couple of years.

[Craig Larter]

#3 frames have an enthusiastic following and bring a premium. They are basically a Parker Super Fox. I believe a #1 frame right around 7 pounds would be a fantastic all around upland gun and would bring a premium. I haven't seen any difference in value between 1 1\ 2 and 2 frame 12ga.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, a Parker #2 frame 32" 20 is also a Super Fox.

[Craig Larter]

I agree but they are as uncommon as a 20ga SF. I think Dave Noreen has a #2 frame 32" 20ga Parker???

[Bill Murphy]

I have owned two of them, shot one yesterday. A full and full 32" 20 on a #2 frame is an adventure on a five stand. The question always comes up, "What you shootin' in that thing?".

[Chris Travinski]

Seems to me an 00 frame 28 ga. is much more desirable than an 0 frame 28ga. And everyone gets excited over 0000 frame 410s too. Works the other way too, large frame 16 and 20 gauges peak a lot of interest as well.

[Chuck Bishop]

The OP asked about 12 ga frames, not about other gauges and frames.

[Michael Moffa]

I have a 2 frame 30" 20 GHE with 3" chambers, s/n close to the Widgeon duck club guns. The breech end of the barrels look like a 600 Nitro Express but the view down the tubes is priceless.

[Alfred Greeson]

A little off the subject but can you give me an idea of what the serial number range was on the Widgeon duck club guns?

[Michael Moffa]

The actual Widgeon gun club numbers are in the TPS but I believe they are in the high 150,000's.