New to Parker Forum--Woul like some advice

[Jimwallman]

Hello everyone,

I have had a Parker Brothers Side by side and was ging to try to see what it might be worth. I will have forthcoming pictures once i locate/buy a new camera cord.

I will try to describe it as best I can. It has the serial # 153105 so it was made in 1910. The Barrell was made with grade # 2 Parker special steel. Frame size is 0. Barrel weight is 15. The barrel appears in good shape with a few tiny scratches on the bottom. I was told the gun was shortened, so the barrel is 28" long. I believe it is a 20 guage. The barrel diamiter is 5/8th of an inch.

Other barrel markings include a JG with a circle around it and a mark upp and to the right that looks like some kind of symble. It also has an IWW2 upsidedown.


As for the stock, its a bit oxidided, not super bad but one part the size of a dime is slightly copper discolered. Grease?

Lastly It has hammers and ejectors. So I ask the people who know better than I if I have something. I am going to look at the book I got at the library, but its pretty vaugue.. Thankyou for you help. Jim Wallman The hammers are internal.

[Dean Romig]

Hello Jim

The book skips over your serial number but some of the information you have given helps. It was made in 1909 or 1910 and is a grade 2 or G grade as indicated by the "Parker Special Steel" on the top rib. The 5/8" barrel diameter - if taken as the outside diameter - is correct for a 28 gauge and not a 20. If taken as an inside diameter it is closer to a 20 gauge. If it is a 28 gauge GH or GHE it could be worth as much as $20,000 depending on condition. Taake as many pictures as you can of the barrel flats where all the stampings are as well as the "water table" of the frame where the serial number is. Does it have a pistol grip or a straight grip? Take high-resolution (sharp, not blurred) pictures of all aspects of the gun. We would love to see your gun and drool on our keyboards....

[Jimwallman]

3622

3623

36241910 20 guage Parker

[Harry Collins]

Jim,

It looks like a very nice Parker. Could you take a clear picture of the rib at the muzzel. We should be able to tell if the barrels have been cut. I just looked at the weight of my 28 and 20 gauge barrels off 0 frames and they weighed 3 3 and 3 2. Yours weigh 2 15 and if it's a 28 gauge with uncut barrels you would be rolling in high cotton. A 20 gauge GH is a very desirable Parker as well.

Harry

[Eric Eis]

Jim, what Harry said the photo needs to be "sharp and clear". Try taking the pictures outdoors so you have a faster shutter speed, it looks as if you have camera movement in the photos you shot due to low shutter speed and trying to hand hold it. If you have a tripod mount the camera on it setup the shot and then turn on the selftimer and let go of the camera, ie. slow shutter speed not touching the camera, sharp photo. A selftimer on a camera was originally designed for just that low light slow shutter speed and no cable release. I know off topic

[Jimwallman]

more pictures

[Eric Eis]

The photos are still not clear but it appears as if the barrels are not cut. Try taking the gun outside with the camera on a tripod and photographing the end of the rib. If you have to shoot indoors get more light on the gun.

[Jimwallman]

the sun just came out so I will try i just have a 100 doaalr cannon, nothing fancy. Ill go out but any other suggestions would be appreciate. I have 2 400 wat work lights, but think they will be too bright

[Jimwallman]

Sorry to be niave, where exactly is the end of the rib with the top?

[Harry Collins]

Jim,

Just like your previous picture where the beed is. What we are looking for is a blank space on the rib between the muzzel and where the squigly lines start. I think I see that your Parker has it, but the picture was a little fuzzy. That tells us the barrels have not been cut and that is what you want. Still a great looking Parker. I have a 20 and 28 gauge Parker that both have 26" barrels. I see this is GHE which means it has ejectors and that is anothe good thing.

Harry

[Jimwallman]

Another try

[Eric Eis]

Jim nice looking gun and from you last photos it does not look as if the barrels are cut, it looks like it was born with 28" barrels, that's a good thing. How did you come across this gun looks like a great hunting gun.

[Jimwallman]

side veiw..

[Jimwallman]

I got it from my Grandfather. I havent had it out in a while. Somebody said hed give me a grand a few years ago. I am not real knowlegable thats why I am here. You asked me what I plan do do with it.. I don't know whot I can/cannot post but lets just say I lost my job... I appreciate all the input from all of you so far...Jim

[Eric Eis]

Jim Frist I won't send you a pm trying to buy the gun but I am sure you will get a few... The gun if it is a 20 ga is worth alot more then a grand I think you would be in the area of $2800 to $3500 in the condition that it is in. Very hard to tell with out more detail photos of condition but 2800 would be on the very low side and 3500 would be about average, if the condition is better then what I can see in the photos the price would be even higher. Make sure it is a 20 ga and not a 28 ga because if it is a 28 you are well over $10,000. Put it on Gunbroker with a starting price of $2500 and see how high it goes. You will need better pictures though Sorry that you have to sell your Grandfathers gun that would mean a lot to me if I had a family gun. Good luck Eric

[Jimwallman]

I had that checked.

[Dean Romig]

"A grand" is attempted theft!
If it is a 20 ga. it is probably worth around $6K - $7K
If it is a 28 ga. easily double that.

[Jimwallman]

I took the gun into a gun smith and he rated it between 60-70 percent. So My question is was the values(from my marginal pictures) including ejectors. It has them. I am taking it to a nearby consignment shop and want to be as knowlagable as I can....Thanks again for all your help...

[Dean Romig]

Consignment shop?? Like where you buy second-hand clothing and stuff??

[Jimwallman]

No , sorry i ment to say a gun shop who puts guns on consignment. They take pictures and put it on the internet.

[E Robert Fabian]

When it gets listed let us know where Jim.

[Jimwallman]

will do.

[Dean Romig]

Whew!!

I'm okay now.... Thanks Jim.

I wish you great success in auctioning or selling your Parker. It should bring a tidy sum.

[Jimwallman]

Thanks... Ive been cruising the site a bit and am finding it interesting to say the least.

[Eric Eis]

Jim I see you are in MN one of the largest Parker dealers is in Duluth MN so you might want to get in touch with Jack Puglisi as he does consignments too

[Jimwallman]

Thanks for the info. I will email him. In your opinion would it be worth the 10 hour round trip?

[Eric Eis]

Give him a call and talk to Jack you can discuss the price and if you like what he says just ship the gun up to him. He would get you a much wider audience for your gun. Just a thought

[Jimwallman]

He probly have to just give an educated guess as my pics as you all know arrnt the greatest. I will call him tomorrow if they are open, or Moday if they are not. Thanks again for the idea . I am still looking at his site. Lots of nice guns for sure.

[Jimwallman]

Can I post that info here?

[Jimwallman]

The gun is listed at gunbroker id# 166978872

[Eric Eis]

Jim just wondering why you will not ship to a C&R as all original Parkers fall under a C&R and you are cuting out a fairly large pool of buyers. Just something you might want to think about

[Jimwallman]

I started having doubts a day after I dropped it off. Could you help me understand why I am making the buyer pool smaller. The gun shop in Duluth, MN has not gotten ahold of me. The person I am dealing with now will not(or cannot) tell me the reserve limit. If I decide to change i would have to wait for 5 days until the auction is over, and i suppose pay for listing , cleaning and pictures. It does look pretty all cleaned up and good pictures. Any feedback would definatly be appreciated on this end.

[Jimwallman]

Can I even get the gun back?

[Eric Eis]

Jim whoever the dealer that you are using, advise him/her that he is wrong on the C&R and demand that he ships to a FFL or C&R. He doesn't know his law..

[Jimwallman]

What is a c&r and does the site say not shippable to a C&R

[Eric Eis]

Curios and Relics license and it is good for any firearm over 50 (maybe 60) years old and listed in the ATF book and all origninal Parkers are list in the book so tell him to read his book or go to BATF website and look it up. If he won't do that take the gun back...

[Jimwallman]

Is it normal not to tell the owner the reserve amount. Thanks and I will call him shortly. So I am assuming he is saying no FFL or C&R.

[Eric Eis]

Sorry Jim in the ad he said he would only ship to a FFL dealer no C&R

[Jim Akins]

The seller has it listed as a extractor gun, it is an ejector gun if the photos you posted here are correct, makes it worth a lot more; he has also cut out all the possible buyers from California, plus all the C&R holders. He can end a G/B auction at any time, I notice he has it listed else-where, if it were mine I would pick it up now! He surely doesn't know much about collectible firearms.

Jim A.

[Eric Eis]

Jim I agree with "Jim" and I would pick the gun up and use another dealer, he can end the auction anytime and you own the gun he does not.... And he doesn't know his law so I would try someone else.....

[Jimwallman]

The difference between ejector and extractors. The shells can pop out seperatly.

[E Robert Fabian]

Extractor lifts the shells out of the chamber and Ejectors throw the fired shells out.

[Robin Lewis]

This from our FAQ web page:

Extractors and ejectors are two parts that perform the same function in shotguns. They both a aid the removal of shotgun shells from the barrels shell chamber.

In the case of the extractor, both the shells are pulled slightly up from the breach of the barrels as the gun is opened. This allows ones fingers to get under the shell and “extract” it from the gun.

A gun with ejectors looks and operates in exactly the same way when the shotgun shells have not been fired. But for a shotgun shell that has been fired, the ejectors “eject” the fired shell(s) from the gun with sufficient force to throw the spent case(s) over the shooters shoulder.

To identify one from the other, while looking at the opened breach end of a Parker barrels, the extractor is on the bottom edge of the barrel and spans both barrels. Ejectors appear to look the the same but upon close inspection the ejectors are split in the middle to allow only one shell to be thrown from the gun when one shell is fired and not the other.

It is common to find extractors on lower grade Parkers and ejectors on the high grade guns. Ejectors were an option when Parkers were ordered and may be found on low grade guns. Ejectors added as an option usually add value to a Parker’s sale price.