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Mark Conrad
04-09-2010, 09:57 AM
We are two weeks away and it's time we get some chatter started on the forum. The PGCA shooters have done very well over the past 7 years but we got caught a little off guard last year. The rules have not been changed from last year and the events are still 30 targets. I have posted the rules below. Make a coy for yourself and we will have copies at our booth. Sign up starts Friday morning at our booth. The PGCA board of directors has a meeting Thursday afternoon so I will not be at Deep River until Friday morning. If anyone has a question, just ask here.


2010 CHALLENGE CUP EVENTS

It’s hard to believe, but this year marks the 7th Annual L.C. Smith vs. Parker Bros. Challenge Cup! The score stands at PGCA four and LCSCA two. This will also be the 4th Annual Hammer Gun Challenge,.

Qualifying for the Challenge Cup (Event 1) begins on Friday around noon, and continues Saturday until everyone that wants to participate has had a chance. Entry fee is $10.00, plus current membership in the PGCA. Target fees apply in addition to that; last year they were $15.00 for the 30 target qualifying round.

The Challenge Cup Teams for Event 2 will be the top 10 shooters from each collectors association. This event is another 30 target event on a re-configured 5-Stand, with the Challenge Cup winner determined by the total score out of the possible 300 targets for each team.

Sunday morning is set aside for the Hammer Gun Challenge. Entry and target fees are the same as Event 1 of Challenge Cup. The simplified format calls for the total of the 10 best scores from each association to be used to determine the winner of the Hammer Gun Challenge Cup. The PGCA needs more hammer gun shooters in this event.

There are individual awards for the Top Gun, Runner-Up, 3rd Place, and 4th Place in the Challenge Cup, as well as High Lady and High Junior. These are awarded based on individual score, regardless of which make gun is used. Top Gun and Runner-Up awards are also given in the Hammer Gun Challenge Cup.

Plan now to participate in one or both events, we need to improve on our showing in 2009.

The PGCA continues to award our shooter with the highest score in the Challenge Cup shooting a composite steel barrel gun the Oscar Gaddy Award.


RULES
SEVENTH Annual L.C. Smith vs. Parker Challenge Cup
April 23-24, 2010

COMPETITOR QUALIFICATION
1. Competition is open to members in good standing of the Association they are representing (LCSCA or PGCA). Membership Applications are available at Registration for those wishing to join in order to compete. Membership rosters will be on hand to verify membership.
2. Dual members of LCSCA and PGCA must choose ONE Association to represent at registration. Anyone attempting to shoot for both Associations will be disqualified.
3. Competitors are not required to own a shotgun of the make related to the Association they are representing. Guns may be borrowed for use in this event. See Equipment rules below.
4. Professional shooters, or anyone receiving sponsorship in any form from dealers, industry, or any other organization, are not allowed to compete in this event.

EQUIPMENT
1. Shooters must use a shotgun of the make related to the Association they are representing (ie. L.C. Smith/Hunter Arms/Marlin for LCSCA or Parker for PGCA).
2. Participants may use any hammer or hammerless model and grade Smith or Parker gun produced by the original companies. Reproductions or modern/imported guns marketed under these famous names are not allowed for this event.
3. Any original gauge my be used
4. Modified and restored guns are allowed, including stock replacement/alteration, recoil pads, shortened or lined barrels, screw-in chokes, etc. Relined barrels must be in the gauge originally manufactured.
5. Chamber inserts/reducers (Chamber-Mates, etc.) and full-length barrel inserts/reducers are acceptable only for use in twist or Damascus barreled vintage guns.
6. Shooters using guns equipped with screw-in chokes may not change choke tubes once they begin competition in each round.
7. Eye and ear protection are required of all competitors.

Event 1- Qualifying Round for Team Selection- Friday noon- Saturday 2:00 PM
1. Registration for Event 1 will be held at the Exhibition tables of the L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A. for their respective members. Competitors may register to represent only one Club. Registration available beginning Friday morning at the opening of the Exhibition area until conclusion of the event approximately 12:00 PM Saturday. Early registration is STRONGLY encouraged, as the later shooting times fill up quickly.
2. Entry fee of $10 to be collected at time of registration and verification of Membership. A commemorative cap pin will be provided to each entrant in Event 1. Proceeds from the entry fees are to be donated to a charitable cause selected by the management of Deep River Sporting Clays, the host of this Event.
3. Target fees of $15.00 to be paid to the vendor at the shooting venue in the Dove Field area of the grounds at Deep River Sporting Clays. Tickets/tokens for target fees may also be purchased in advance in the Deep River office. Be sure to specify that you are paying for targets for Event 1 of the Challenge Cup.
4. Shooters will be squadded at Registration for their approximate shooting time. It is recommended that shooters plan to be at the Dove Field venue 30 minutes prior to their scheduled time. If a shooter misses their slot, there may not be alternative times available. PGCA and LCSCA squads will be alternated in Event 1.
5. Practice shooting is available at the Dove Field 5-stand venue and at an Open 5-Stand venue. Practice rounds are available on a first-come-first serve basis on the competition venue until the course is reset for the competition at around 12:00 PM on Friday. Practice will also be available, on a first come, first served basis at the alternate venue all day Friday and Saturday. Please note that this alternate venue is available to ALL Southern S X S participants. Shooters may sign up for ONE ROUND AT A TIME, and may not place their name in rotation for another practice round until they have completed shooting their first time through the course. Practice targets are to be paid to the vendor, or at the Deep River office, and are not included in the entry fee.
6. Course of Fire for Event 1 will be 30 TARGETS, fired as 2 Report Pair and one True Pair at each station on the 5-Stand venue. The target presentations will be thoroughly reconfigured from the layout used during practice.
7. Shooters are allowed one gun malfunction with the opportunity to re-shoot any targets lost. Referee will verify malfunction, while the shooter maintains control of the gun in a safe direction. Any further malfunctions will result in targets scored as “Lost”. The decision of the referee is final. Leaving the gun on “SAFE” does not qualify as a malfunction.

Event 2- Challenge Cup Round Saturday approx. 3:30 PM
1. At the conclusion of Event 1, representatives from L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A. will select 10 Challenge Cup Team members for their respective Associations. The 10 shooters from each Association with the highest scores in Event 1 will be chosen for the Challenge Cup Teams. In the event of tie scores for the final slot(s) on each team, the tied shooters will be ranked based on the reverse long run of broken targets from last target fired.
2. Participants must report to their association’s respective exhibit table to determine if they are on the Challenge Cup Team. The selection process should be complete by approximately 2:30. Alternate Team members will also be notified to stand by in the event that any Team members cannot be located in time for Event 2.
3. Challenge Team members will be provided with commemorative caps, and we ask that these be worn during the competition.
4. Event 2, the Challenge Cup round will begin at approximately 3:30 Saturday afternoon. Shooters who are on the Team should report the sign-up table at the 5-Stand venue by 3:00 to pay for their targets ($15), go over squadding assignments, and prepare for shooting.
5. A coin toss will determine which team will start the competition. Squads from each team will alternate for the remainder of the event.
7. The course of fire for Event 2 will be 30 TARGETS, fired as 2 Report Pair and 1 True Pair. Target presentations will be thoroughly reconfigured prior to the beginning of Event 2
6. The winning team will be determined by comparing the total targets broken by each team in Event 2.

TIES FOR TOP GUN AWARD
The Top Gun Award is presented to the shooter with the highest combined score from Event 1 and Event 2, regardless of which Team they represented. In the event of any tie(s), the representatives for each association will confer to determine the procedure for determining the final rankings. Conditions permitting, a shoot-off will be conducted immediately after Event 2 to settle the ranking. Representatives from both the L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A. will confer with the 5-Stand operator to determine the course of fire for the shoot-off. It is the responsibility of all competitors to determine if they are involved in the shoot-off. It is strongly suggested that all 20 competitors in Event 2 stand by at the shooting venue at the conclusion of the event to determine if they are affected. If conditions preclude a shoot-off, then ties will be resolved with the reverse long run of broken targets from the last target fired in Event 2.

Ties for Runner Up through 4th place will be resolved based on the results of any shoot-off, if conducted. If this still leaves unresolved ties, reverse long run from the last target fired for Event 2 will determine the ranking.


AWARDS SCHEDULE
1. The Challenge Cup trophy and individual awards will be presented after the results for Event 2 are finalized, in conjunction with the awards for the Southern S X S Preliminary events. The location will at the pavilion shelter near the exhibition area.
2. The Challenge Cup trophy will be presented to the designated representative of the winning team. The winning Association is responsible for engraving their Association and year on the Cup. There will also be a non-traveling permanent award for the winning association
3. Individual awards will be presented to the Champion, Runner-Up, 3rd, and 4th place shooters, based on their combined score for Event 1 and Event 2.


RULES
FOURTH Annual L.C. Smith vs. Parker Hammer Gun Challenge
Sunday, April 25, 2010

COMPETITOR QUALIFICATION
1. Competition is open to members in good standing of the Association they are representing (LCSCA or PGCA). Membership Applications are available at Registration for those wishing to join in order to compete. Membership rosters will be on hand to verify membership.
2. Dual members of LCSCA and PGCA must choose ONE Association to represent. Anyone attempting to shoot for both Associations will be disqualified. However, dual-membership shooters may shoot in the Hammer Gun Challenge for a different Association from the one they represented in the Challenge Cup.
3. Competitors are not required to own a shotgun of the make related to the Association they are representing. Guns may be borrowed for use in this event. See Equipment rules below.
4 Professional shooters, or anyone receiving sponsorship in any form from dealers, industry, or any other organization are not allowed to compete in this event.

EQUIPMENT
1. Shooters must use a shotgun of the make related to the Association they are representing (ie. L.C. Smith/Hunter Arms/Marlin for LCSCA or Parker for PGCA).
2. Participants may use any exposed-hammer model and grade Smith or Parker gun produced by the original companies. Reproductions or modern/imported guns marketed under these famous names are not allowed for this event.
3. Any original gauge my be used
4. Modified and restored guns are allowed, including stock replacement/alteration, recoil pads, shortened lined barrels, screw-in chokes, etc. Relined barrels must be in the gauge originally manufactured.
5. Chamber inserts/reducers (Chamber-Mates, etc.) and full-length barrel inserts/reducers are acceptable only for use in twist or Damascus barreled vintage guns.
6. Shooters using guns equipped with screw-in chokes may not change choke tubes once they begin competition.
7. Eye and ear protection are required of all competitors.

Hammer Gun Challenge Event Sunday 8:30 AM

1. Registration for Event 1 will be held at the Exhibition tables of the L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A. for their respective members. Competitors may register to represent only one Club. Registration available beginning Friday morning at the opening of the Exhibition area until conclusion of the event approximately 12:00 PM Sunday. Early registration is STRONGLY encouraged, as the later shooting times fill up quickly.
2. Entry fee of $10 to be collected at time of registration and verification of Membership. Proceeds from these entry fees are to be distributed by agreement between L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A.
3. Target fees of $15.00 to be paid to the vendor at the shooting venue in the Dove Field area of the grounds at Deep River Sporting Clays. Tickets/tokens for target fees may also be purchased in advance in the Deep River office. Be sure to specify that you are paying for targets for the Hammer Gun Challenge.
4. Shooters will be squadded at Registration for their approximate shooting time. The first squad will be up at 8:30 AM. It is recommended that shooters plan to be at the Dove Field venue 30 minutes prior to their scheduled time. If a shooter misses their slot, there may not be alternative times available. PGCA and LCSCA squads will be alternated.
5. Practice shooting is available at the Dove Field 5-standavenue and at another 5-Stand venue set up near the Exhibition tents on Friday and Saturday. Practice rounds are available at the competition venue on a first-come-first served basis until the course is reset for the Challenge Cup Event 1 around noon on Saturday. Practice will also be available, on a first come, first served basis at the alternate venue near the exhibition tents all day Friday and Saturday. Please note that this alternate venue is available to ALL Southern S X S participants. Shooters may sign up for ONE ROUND AT A TIME, and may not place their name in rotation for another practice round until they have completed shooting their first time through the course. Practice targets are to be paid to the vendor, or may be purchased at the Deep River office, and are not included in the entry fee.
6. Course of Fire for the Hammer Gun Challenge will be 30 TARGETS, fired as 2 Report Pair and one True Pair at each station on the 5-Stand venue. The target presentations will be thoroughly re-set from the layout used for the Challenge Cup.
7. Shooters are allowed one gun malfunction with the opportunity to re-shoot any targets lost. Referee will verify malfunction, while the shooter maintains control of the gun in a safe direction. Any further malfunctions will result in targets scored as “Lost”. The decision of the referee is final. Leaving the gun uncocked does not qualify as a malfunction.
8. A coin toss will determine which team will start the competition. Squads from each team will alternate for the remainder of the event.
9. The winning team will be determined by totaling the scores of the top 10 shooters representing each Association. In the Event of a tie between the Teams, the scores of the 11th place shooters for each Association will be compared to determine the winning Team. If the Teams are still tied, the scores of the 12th place shooters will determine the winning Team, and so on until the tie is broken.

TIES FOR HIGH GUN AWARD

The Hammer Gun Champion Award is presented to the shooter with the highest score in the Hammer Gun Challenge, regardless of which Team they represented. In the event of any tie(s), the representatives for each association will confer to determine the procedure for determining the final rankings. Conditions permitting, a shoot-off will be conducted immediately after the event to settle the ranking. Representatives from both the L.C.S.C.A. and P.G.C.A. will confer with the 5-Stand operator to determine the course of fire for the shoot-off. It is the responsibility of all competitors to determine if they are involved in the shoot-off. It is strongly suggested that all competitors in the Hammer Gun Challenge stand by at the shooting venue at the conclusion of the event to determine if they are affected. If conditions preclude a shoot-off, then ties will be resolved with the reverse long run of broken targets from the last target fired.

Ties for Runner Up will be based on the results of any shoot-off, if conducted. If this still leaves unresolved ties, reverse long run from the last target fired for Event 2 will determine the ranking.


AWARDS SCHEDULE

1. The Hammer Gun Challenge trophy and individual awards will be presented in conjunction with the final awards ceremony for the Southern S X S Main events. The location will be the pavilion shelter near the exhibition area.
2. Individual awards will be presented to the Champion, and Runner-Up shooters. Any ties for these awards will be broken based on the reverse long run of broken targets from last target fired.

Ed Blake
04-09-2010, 12:42 PM
Mark - I assume the rules set last year for junior shooters still apply this year?

Mark Conrad
04-09-2010, 05:52 PM
Mark - I assume the rules set last year for junior shooters still apply this year?

The only thing we chaged were the dates. Same as last year.

Mark

todd allen
04-14-2010, 02:14 AM
I would love to one day shoot in this event. The past 8-10 years I have been shooting SC's with a Beretta 391 with a release trigger. I have a modest collection of Parkers, most of which have very shootable dimensions. I've been practicing up for the UP SxS Shoot, and will be shooting either a Parker Lifter hammer gun, or a DH Grade Damascus gun.
Although most of my hunting is with SxS's, (and I shoot them fairly well) the challenge is going to the different dynamics of the SxS, and shooting a pull trigger on targets. We'll see how it goes.

Buddy Marson
04-15-2010, 10:33 AM
I would like to encourage all Parker shooters to practice, practice, practice as much as possible your 5 stand shooting between now and next Saturday!
It will be a very, very sad day in Deep River next Saturday if we fail to perform as we did last year! Good luck to all (even Smith shooters). Drive safe, see you there!

Buddy Marson

Larry Frey
04-15-2010, 01:19 PM
Deb and I will be in the area all week chasing a little white ball around.:duck: We had plans to meet up with our friend Derrick Stewart on Wednesday morning for a round of clays at his club but unfortunately he has been called away for work and will miss the Southern this year. If anyone from that area could give me the name or website of a public shooting facility in the area I would appreciate it. If they have a five stand all the better.