Nitro Short 10 load

[Mark Garrett]

Just though I'd post this for guys with Short 10's that can handle modern pressures. I wanting a Short 10 ( 2 7/8 " ) load for My Ithaca Super 10 that is not low pressure . For good performance and good for cold weather . I wanted a good 1 1/2 oz turkey load that was some where between 1150- 1250 fps and between 9000- 11000 psi . So I sent this load to Tom Armburst for testing .

Fed hull cut to 2 7/8 "
Fed 209a primer
23 grains Hodgdon International Clays
Rem SP-10 wad
1 1/2 oz #6 lead
6 Fold Crimp .050 -.060 deep

For 5 shot string

1177, 1181, 1166, 1179, 1179 - Ave 1176 fps EV 15

11000, 10700, 9800, 11100, 10400 - Ave 10600 psi EV 1300

I also plan on using this load for non-tox using Niceshot with a reduced payload of either 1 1/4 or 1 3/8 oz

Hope someone can use it

Mark

[Paul Harm]

Wow - I would have thought a 1 1/4oz of shot would be more than enough, but to each his own. I don't like a lot of recoil - my shoulder hurts just thinking about it. Good luck on your turkey hunt.

[charlie cleveland]

sounds like my kinda loads i like plenty of punch on the turkeys end...i use a slip on limb savor to help with the kicking end....charlie

[Harry Collins]

I haven't the time nor the energy to look up the he article in Double Gun Journal of turkeys being taken by Parker's in 10 gauge through .410. You hit them right and you can eat them.

[Mark Garrett]

I bet I won't even feel it when taking a shot at live game , especially in a 9lb gun . Because you are shooting at a turkey's head and neck , the more pattern density the better to a certain point . If your going to shoot a 10ga might as well take advantage of it,s potential .

I haven't patterned it yet but I'll it will be good to 50 yards if needed.

This load is a good base line that can reduced to 1 1/4 oz easily for those that do like recoil .

[Fred Verry]

Mark, I am surprised you get either those velocities or pressures with the SP-16 wad. I would expect a lot of gas blow by. Are you using a 10 ga. over powder card or felt wad beneath it?

[Mark Garrett]

Mark, I am surprised you get either those velocities or pressures with the SP-16 wad. I would expect a lot of gas blow by. Are you using a 10 ga. over powder card or felt wad beneath it?

No just the SP-10 wad by itself.

Tom and I thought the same thing . In trying to develop a Bismuth load in the Remington Hull I used the BPI PT 1044 wad and it came in way over pressure , so I drop the charge by 2 grains and used the SP wad and the pressures where almost identical ( way over ) so I regrouped and am now trying it with Unigue . Seems the SP wad seals pretty good

By the way this same load in the Remington hull from Precision Reloading , came in way over pressure by about 1900 psi .

[Fred Verry]

Mark, PM sent.

[Paul Harm]

Wait, let me get this straight - are you using a SP-10 with a 16ga filler, or a SP-16 wad in a 10ga shell ? I don't have a SP-16 wad, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that you're gonna get a whole lot of powder migration past a 16ga wad in a 10ga shell. You'd have to keep the shells upright not to. And if they lay in your shooting coat shaking around while you walked, just how much powder would leak by ? I put 16ga filler wads inside SP-10's.

[Mark Garrett]

I apologize , I am using the SP10 wad not the Sp16 wad . I did even catch it when asked about sealing . I mostly load for the 16ga , should make a lot more sense now.

[Richard Flanders]

I'm confused too. An SP-16 wad? shotcup? what? in a a 10ga hull? Really? An SP-16 is a shotcup; no confusion there; just sounds very odd. I guess you really are being clear if it really is and SP-16 and not a 16 ga wad of some sort in an SP-10 shotcup; we're just hesitant to believe it, I guess. If there is a pressure reduction using that combination vs using and SP-10, the reason is blowby in my book. What else could it be? Isn't there some other way to accomplish the same thing without wasting powder? Please clarify.

I guess I was composing this as Mark was posting his clarification. Thanks Mark. NOW it makes sense.

[Pete Lester]

Just though I'd post this for guys with Short 10's that can handle modern pressures. I wanting a Short 10 ( 2 7/8 " ) load for My Ithaca Super 10 that is not low pressure . For good performance and good for cold weather . I wanted a good 1 1/2 oz turkey load that was some where between 1150- 1250 fps and between 9000- 11000 psi . So I sent this load to Tom Armburst for testing .

Fed hull cut to 2 7/8 "
Fed 209a primer
23 grains Hodgdon International Clays
Rem SP-10 wad
1 1/2 oz #6 lead
6 Fold Crimp .050 -.060 deep

For 5 shot string

1177, 1181, 1166, 1179, 1179 - Ave 1176 fps EV 15

11000, 10700, 9800, 11100, 10400 - Ave 10600 psi EV 1300

I also plan on using this load for non-tox using Niceshot with a reduced payload of either 1 1/4 or 1 3/8 oz

Hope someone can use it

Mark

Thanks for sharing this information with us Mark, with your permission I will add it to the Comprehensive Short Ten reloading spreadsheet I created and post the update on the reloading forum on the PGCA site.

If anyone has any other short tem loads that were tested and would like to share them via the spreadsheet let me know of them.

Thanks, Pete

[Mark Garrett]

Pete , please do .

I am having a bismuth load tested , that will share the results as soon as Tom gets it to me.

Thanks again for the spread sheets.

Mark Garrett

Figured it out Pete you have a PM

[Paul Harm]

Thanks - feel better now. Thought maybe a whole new avenue of reloading was opening up.

[Alan B. Webber]

Thanks, that looks like a great load. I'll try it in my fluid steel 10.
On the other hand I have a lot of Circle Fly fiber wads I was going to load BP with in Federal cases for a couple of #6 frames. Since that idea I got a 100 full length brass shells I load Bp in using 11 ga. wads.
what to do with all the 12 ga wads? Any load recommendations using something like Unique or Red Dot that produces reasonable pressures (even though #6 frame Damascus barrels look like they can take a lot of pressure).
Thanks

[Paul Harm]

If those are 10ga brass hulls, you're going to want to use 9ga wads for a proper fit and seal.

[Alan B. Webber]

They are 10 ga brass and I use 9 ga CircleFly wads. No crimp at the end. I use duco cement to secure the overshot wad.

[Harry Collins]

Try hot glue Allen. Sets up immediately.

[Alan B. Webber]

I will. Thanks!