dog engraving

[legh higgins]

I'm wondering about the dog engraving on Parker shotguns. Specifically which guns have dogs on the receivers and the disposition of the dogs tails. Most seem to be all classic old school straight out the back or 9:00 o'clock. I saw a reproduction with the setters tail up @ 10:30??? any photos of your guns dogs greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance
Legh Higgins Twombly Setters

[Rick Losey]

Legh

here are links to discussions of the dogs on our guns

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14238&highlight=dogs

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=921&highlight=dogs&page=2

a search on dogs in the engraving forum will show many entries

it seems the dogs begin to show most often on the D grades and above

here is a example of an early DH with the three dog engraving


http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=588&pictureid=6897

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=588&pictureid=6899

somehow- this one got in the mix

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=588&pictureid=6898

[John Havard]

Legh, lots of folks own more Parkers than I do but here are a couple of dog photos from some of mine:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=411&pictureid=4499
http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=411&pictureid=4498
http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=411&pictureid=4500
http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=521&pictureid=5726
http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.php?albumid=521&pictureid=5720

[legh higgins]

we want to incorporate a engraving photo in our Logo for Twombly Setters.

[Dean Romig]

I've got a bunch saved to my pictures file.
I'm in Maine right now but will be home this evening. I'll contact you then.

Best, Dean

PS, others should continue posting their photos - I'm sure there are some nice ones out there.

[edgarspencer]

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14803

[Mark Ray]

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/49774_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/49774_600x400/)

Leah, Here is the Setter on the floorplate of my 1889 "three dog" DH

[Dean Romig]

Legh, as promised....

The first is a Remington Parker (No. 242500A) - not a Parker Reproduction - one of the scant few that were finished in the 1980's I believe. I think only two or three may have been made before the project was terminated. The setter is wonderful in my opinion.

Double or triple click to enlarge.




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[Dean Romig]

This next one is from Jessie Bishop's 1908 28 ga. Damascus DHE.

Sorry, tail is 8:30 to 9:00.... I can't tell if it is a.m. or p.m.




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[Dean Romig]

Here's another one with tail at about 9:15. Deep relief engraving... you should see the whole gun - it has been shown here before.




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[Mark Ray]

Another maker- my 1892 Baker B grade, apparently the engraver had a different dog trainer than the guys over at Parker! Tail at 10:30

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/49779_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/49779_600x400/)

[Dean Romig]

And another that may be an A grade. I'm having a really hard time trying to find examples of setters with tails more than about horizontal.

Is it possibly a difference anatomically between a pointer and a setter that prevents a setter from being able to hold his tail in a more erect position?




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[Dean Romig]

Here's a setter on a CH Bernard gun. Beautiful engraving but tail is still not what you're looking for.





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[Mike McKinney]

Dean,
I'd like to know a little more about the 1980 Parker you posted, I don't think I've heard that story before.
Regarding the tails, I think Mr. Higgins might verify that the high tails have evolved through breeding as it became more desirable, and possibly some training. In the earlier days my understanding is the low or horizontal tails were more normal and acceptable and a lot of pointing dogs actually were in a near squat or setting position. If I was a setter or pointer person I wouldn't care, so long as the dog handled birds well but my understanding is a high tail is a more desirable trait.

[Mark Ray]

Their tails can definitely go 12 o'clock, this is a depiction of my setter Freckles, that Mark Larson did on my custom hammer 16.. From a photo, I know it is not engraving....but it IS gold leaf!

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/49780_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/49780_600x400/)

[Mark Ray]

To Mike's information above, here is the setter from the side of the "three dog" DH. Tail low...squatting.

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/49781_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/49781_600x400/)

[greg conomos]

If their tail is too high they start to resemble a skunk

[legh higgins]

* month old Tober on Point. He is a classic Lavarack setter type. dont mix up tail position with intensity. intensity comes from the other end...The Nose.

[Dean Romig]

And here is Tober's sister Grace early this spring pointing what turned out to be a very tight-sitting woodcock. Sometimes she'll lift a front paw and sometimes a rear paw but she slammed onto this point and lifted the back one. I've tried but can't convince her to hold her tail any higher... and it's not really important to me

[Dean Romig]

Maybe Steve Hodges will post a picture of his Star with a very high tail position.