Need Help With Markings on Barrel Lug

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Hello all, I am trying to determine the markings on my Parker 12ga barrel lug. The shotgun was made in 1875, and I know that many of the later markings are not present on these early plain steel models.

Having said that, there are two distint markings on the lug. The first is an "S". It is very different from a "2", which my first thought, and it is sideways next to an "O" or a "0"- not sure if it is the number zero or letter O.

I have checked every resource I can find; I'm hoping someone can help me understand what this means. I can post a picture if that would help (this is my first thread, so not sure how much to post).

Much appreciated in advance!

[George M. Purtill]

Can you post a picture?

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Sure- thanks for checking it out...

[Brian Dudley]

Your gun is an early lifter. It is from a period either before the frame size was marked, or it was not consistently marked. The O on your gun is not the frame size.

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Thank you very much :)

[Dave Suponski]

Kerilynn, The "S" stamped on the lug is the inspectors mark for John Stokes. An contractor/employee of Parker Bros. at the time this gun was built.

What I find interesting is the F9R marking on the forward part of the lug. We usually see this on the frame water table. I don't know if I have ever seen it marked on the lug or anywhere else for that matter. Another clue....

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Thank you, that is very interesting. I'll have fun researching some more.

As for the F9R, I have never seen it in that location either, but couldn't find any info about that placement. I figured it had to do with the timeframe when this was manufactured. It doesn't seem to have many of the typical markings or placement. The F9R also a bit smaller than other markings I've seen.

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Mr. Suponski,

I have one more question, if you don't mind. There are two initials above the barrel weight that are only partly visible. Any idea what or who they would refer to as a general rule?

I've attached a picture.

Thank you...

Kerilynn

[George M. Purtill]

That is a weird place for the barrel weights. Usually it is to the right on the flat area.

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Hello Mr. Purtill,
I'm finding there are quite a few odd identification placements and markings on this 12gauge. It's been very interesting to research. Quite a puzzle at times.
Kerilynn

[Erick Dorr]

You have the advantage here since you have the barrels in hand. The second letter looks to be "L." What is the first a "J." or an "O." perhaps? How low a serial number is this gun and how is the top rib marked? Are there other stampings forward on the barrel? Are there any British proofs for example?
The initials could be the original barrel makers mark or the barrel strikers at Parker? Is the top rib marked "Laminate"? If so could the initials be for laminate barrels since Parker used various steels and would need to have a way to identify them before blacking? Originally barrel steel was sourced from England I believe except for plain steel and decarbonized steel.
Others could offer more help if we could see the elephant and not just its trunk peaking out from under the tent.
Erick

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Hi Erick,
I will post photos of the entire gun tonight. The serial number is 5670 and the top rib is marked "plain steel". There are other markings; these were the most difficult for me to identify, which is why I have the photos on my phone with me all the time. When I return home, I will take pictures of the gun in its entirety. Thank you for the info.
Kerilynn

[Gerald McPherson]

Is this gun marked parker bros or parker?

[Kerilynn Viccione]

It says "Parker Bros. Makers, Meriden, Conn, Plain Steel"

[charlie cleveland]

i have such a gun marked as yours about the same serial number also made in 1875....charlie

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Hi Charlie,
That's great! Do you know what these markings are, or does you gun have these markings as well? I understand that there weren't many with plain steel on the rib, which has made it more difficult to identify these codes. This is the first Parker I have owned, so I'm learning quite a bit. I tend to collect military and wartime pieces mostly.

[charlie cleveland]

i do not know what these markings are..but mine is marked like yours...the plain steel barrels are pretty rare not to many made with plain steel wrote on them..i have 2 such marked guns...they shoot ok with the plain steel barrel with light field loads...charlie

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Erick, here is the rest of the elephant from under the tent.;)
Seems I can only upload one pic at a time. I'll post another in a different reply.

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Another photo. A bit dark, but reads Plain Steel.
Kerilynn

[Erick Dorr]

Kerilynn, Your 2 most recent photos show a decent 0 grade early Parker minus a hammer and hammer screw. Being a plain steel, gun it is my understanding it wouldn't have foreign sourced barrels . Hopefully others with "Plain Steel" barrels or other barrels of the same period can comment on the initials partially covered by the bottom rib. I don't remember my 2 somewhat earlier lifters having any similar initials but I don't have them handy at the moment. The Parker Story lists some early Parker employees and their job functions. If the initials can be identified, someone with the book handy might be able to match them to a barrel man at Parker B. or not.
You can check to see if a research letter is available for your gun by visiting the home page. One is probably available since the stock book for this serial range is available. Don't know how extensive the info in a letter might be until one is ordered.
Erick

[Kerilynn Viccione]

Thank you Erick. That's a great idea to order a research letter. I appreciate all the info!
Kerilynn