Mun. & Waffenfabr 16 gauge

[Jeff Bonadurer]

I was given this shotgun and haven't found much on the web about it.
The frame seems small and the gun very light. I haven't found an accurate scale to weigh it. Any input would be appreciated.

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Best regards

Jeff

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

Jeff, Could you post better closeup's of the barrel flats so we can determine the chamber length and caliber? Looks to be in pretty good shape for a old timer.

[Mike Franzen]

I have no idea what it is but I would love to have it!!!

[wayne goerres]

Thats a pretty nice gift someone gave you.

[William Eddleman]

I was given this shotgun and haven't found much on the web about it.
The frame seems small and the gun very light. I haven't found an accurate scale to weigh it. Any input would be appreciated.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/16698493651_af7c757470_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16698493651/)
IMG_6453 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16698493651/) by Bonadurers (https://www.flickr.com/people/46845109@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8561/16079807173_cd8146eb55_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16079807173/)
IMG_6456 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16079807173/) by Bonadurers (https://www.flickr.com/people/46845109@N06/), on Flickr

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IMG_6470 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46845109@N06/16077452824/) by Bonadurers (https://www.flickr.com/people/46845109@N06/), on Flickr

Best regards

Jeff

Lovely!

[John Mazza]

It's chambered for 16 gauge (65 mm case length) shells, with a nominal 16 gauge bore. Both bores are choked (the Crown "W" signified that...) Proofed in Germany, but I see no date code. (May mean proof in Suhl, prior to 1912)

The lever cocks the hammers. I believe the patent was held by a man named Schrauder.

Have you posted images on the German gun collector's forum ?

Yes, it looks more dangerous than those dastardly Damascus barreled guns I see here, so if you want to be perfectly safe, I can take it off your hands. : )

Nice gun !

John

[Brian Dudley]

Very interesting gun. Never seen one like it before. I take it the under lever opens the gun as well as cocking the hammers?
I have seen similar european designs with an opening/cocking under lever, but not in that particular arrangement.

That pin in each side of the cheek is to help hold the head together. It may be cracked, or may have been done as a precautionary measure. Many of these European guns have split heads. There is not a lot of wood in them at all and the action ends up acting like a wedge once things are loose and start moving.

Typical stipple type matting on the top of the frame. The engraving is relatively sparse and simply done, but the duck and dog on the sides look to be very nice.

[Kevin McCormack]

The engraving and trigger guard release reminds me of the spooky Wanschmeid drilling I saw years ago at a firehouse gun show in Concord NH - 28 ga. SxS over 9.7 x 64 mm under. The thing weighed a hair under 7 pounds. Apparently custom built for Auerhahn hunting in moose country or the reverse.

[John Mazza]

I checked my references last night. It was made by Dreyse, using Robert Schrader's patented action. (The top tang - where we would usually see a safety - will probably show the DRP, or patent number.) The patent was granted in 1898.

The cocking/safety lever is shown in the neutral, or safe position. You push it forward to open the gun, and pull it back to tension the mainsprings. No typical safety is needed.

Cool as hell !!!!

[Jeff Bonadurer]

Thanks for all the great input. I did post the same pictures on the German Gun Collectors forum.
The mechanism is built on the Deutsches Reichs Patent 100914 associated
with the name Robert Schrader of Gottingen. He also has other firearm patents.
Everyone is correct, pushing the lever forward, opens the action and pulling it rearward, cocks the hammers.
I still need to put it across an accurate scale. It feels extremely light.
I will try and get a macro shot of the barrel flats and post it.
I do have some RST 16 gauge shells and I plan on patterning this little
gun with.

Best regards,

Jeff

[Jeff Bonadurer]

Here's a photo of the barrel flat.

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Best regards,

Jeff

[John Mazza]

It still looks dangerous - are you sure I can't convince you to sell it to me ?

: )

[ken larson]

Very nice gift!!!!!

[Tom Will]

I like the horn trigger guard tang. Neat gun