EH weight difference .

[CraigThompson]

I am curiouse I've seen several EH guns on #2 frames with 30" barrels that were in the 8 1/2 pound range and some #3 guns that were 10ish with 32" pipes . So what area should 32" guns on #4 and #5 frames be approx ? I am only interested in weights of the 10's . Well at the moment .

[Brian Dudley]

I have owned one 4 frame 10g hammer gun with 32" barrels. It weighed 10.5 lbs if I remember correctly.

[greg conomos]

I've never heard of an EHE. Did they make them???

[Brian Dudley]

Ejectors were introduced in 1901. And the NH and EH grades were dropped by the time the 1907 Pine Cone catalog came out. So, I am sure that some were made with ejectors in that 6 year period.

I have seen a later GHE in 10g. But that is as close as that gets.

[Dean Romig]

The only thing that was dropped was the EH and NH letter designation of the 10 and 8 ga. Grade 1 and Grade 2 guns. The guns themselves were still being made and Parker Bros. simplified things by using the simpler designation letters of PH and GH. with 10 and 8 Ga. barrels.

[Brian Dudley]

But they did make 8g guns with the PH designation as early as prior to 1907. I know of a couple specifically made in 1899.

[Dean Romig]

Yup - there are exceptions to every rule. We find a lot of exceptions with Parker shotguns.

[CraigThompson]

So back to my original question what were the average weights for NH-EH in ,

#2 frame 30"

#3 frame 32"

#4 frame 32"

#5 frame 32"

[CraigThompson]

Yup - there are exceptions to every rule. We find a lot of exceptions with Parker shotguns.

Actually I think the Parker company is no different then say Marlin or Winchester in the same time period !

William Brophy's book on Marlin has many many many contradictions etc after one has collected/accumulated Marlin guns . My friends that get hung up on Wrenchesters say the same thing with some of the printed matter on there choosen brand .

[Fred Verry]

Greg and Brian, I did not see any ejector equipped grade 1 or 2 10 ga. guns listed in the serialization book between serial #108000 and 140000. There were 10ga. ejector equipped guns listed in Grade 3 and above in this same group. Of course there are many SNs missing from this book and what information is available in the order books may be another matter. HTH.

[charlie cleveland]

except maybe for the 2 frame you ain t gona see much differant in the weight of these guns..i m going by the 10 ga that i ve seen this in..i have a 32 frame 10ga it weighs 11 1/2 lbs the rest of my 3 frames weigh in at 9 1/4 to 9 1/2...the 4 frame guns in 10 ga will be close to 9 1/2 and 10 lbs...the 5 frames areclose to this also...there are exceptions...noy in 6 frame guns about 11 to 11 1/2 some heavier..then the 7 frame usally the 8 ga from 11 1/2 to 15 lb s...this is based on my oberservations thru the years...charlie

[Bill Murphy]

EH and NH tens were not made in #4 and #5 frames. The 4, 5, and 7 were hammer gun frames unless there is some rare exception out there. EH and NH tens were made in #2, #3, and #6 frames.

[scott kittredge]

So back to my original question what were the average weights for NH-EH in ,

#2 frame 30"

#3 frame 32"

#4 frame 32"

#5 frame 32"

my EH 2 frame, 30 in. is 8 3/4 lbs
my EH 3 frame, 32 in. is 9 lbs
i had a NH 32 in. 3 frame at 10 lbs

[Bill Murphy]

I have two 32" #3 frames that weigh 10 pounds. I have one that weights 9 pounds, 8 ounces. I have a 27" #2 frame ten that weighs about 7 1/4 pounds. All #4 frame hammer guns that I have weighed are just at or under 11 pounds to take advantage of the maximum allowed weight of pigeon guns in the mid 1880s.

[CraigThompson]

I have two 32" #3 frames that weigh 10 pounds. I have one that weights 9 pounds, 8 ounces. I have a 27" #2 frame ten that weighs about 7 1/4 pounds. All #4 frame hammer guns that I have weighed are just at or under 11 pounds to take advantage of the maximum allowed weight of pigeon guns in the mid 1880s.

So the only hammerless 10 gauge frames were #2 , #3 and #6 with the exception of the one gun built on a #1 frame correct .

Also there was no such thing as a hammerless #4 or #5 frame ?

Sorry I see you pretty well answered all this in a post above !

[Bill Murphy]

That is the way I have found it to be. #6 frame tens, even though you didn't ask, are from 11 to 13 1/2 pounds, in my experience. I probably have one of the bigger ones, a 34" six frame NH ten with wall thickness no less than .100" anywhere and much more toward the breech. I think that is the 13 1/2 pounder.

[CraigThompson]

In my Parker photo archives on my PC I found I already have pics of EH/NH guns on #2 , #3 and #6 frames . Also happened to have pics of a Grade 3 #4 frame gun .

About 2 hours ago it seems that I have finally added a Parker EH #2 to my somewhat modest accumulation .
IF it turns out to be as nice as the pics I'll be satisfied . Hopefully I can lay my hands on an EH #3 frame gun soon .

[Carvel Whaley]

I have a grade 3 4 frame 10 ga with 32 in barrels. Not sure of the weight but will weigh it today and post. Carvel

[Bill Murphy]

Carvel, I assume that is a hammer gun? We would like to hear more about it. #4 frame tens are often built for competitive shooters. Who was the person who ordered yours?

[Carvel Whaley]

Bill, it is a hammer gun, ser. no. 38523, it weighs 10 lbs. 14 ozs. I do not have a letter on it and do not know who ordered it. Carvel

[Russ Jackson]

That is the way I have found it to be. #6 frame tens, even though you didn't ask, are from 11 to 13 1/2 pounds, in my experience. I probably have one of the bigger ones, a 34" six frame NH ten with wall thickness no less than .100" anywhere and much more toward the breech. I think that is the 13 1/2 pounder.
Bill,You would need a loader just to help hold the front end up !!!!!!!!!!!:rotf:

[greg conomos]

I think I have an EH 12 ga.

[Russ Jackson]

Craig I am not sure where this is going but I doubt there is much difference in an ,NH , EH ,DH etc. but for what it's worth ,I would assume there are average weights per frame and barrel length but should the customer have ordered something specifically ,I feel certain the Brother's P would have done their best to accommodate ! For what it's worth , I have a DH 10 Ga. 32" Damascus Barreled gun on a #3 Frame that weighs 9Lb. 6 Oz. and was sent back to Parker for a set of Barrels in 12 Ga.Damascus along with their own Forend ,with these 12 Ga. Barrels on including their own Forend the gun still weighs 9 Lb. 6 Oz. The gun feels different in hand as the weight of the 32" Barrels are distributed along the entire length of the gun but the weight of the 12 Ga. Barrels is more centralized between the hands ! Hope this helps ! Russ

[CraigThompson]

Craig I am not sure where this is going but I doubt there is much difference in an ,NH , EH ,DH etc. but for what it's worth ,I would assume there are average weights per frame and barrel length but should the customer have ordered something specifically ,I feel certain the Brother's P would have done their best to accommodate ! For what it's worth , I have a DH 10 Ga. 32" Damascus Barreled gun on a #3 Frame that weighs 9Lb. 6 Oz. and was sent back to Parker for a set of Barrels in 12 Ga.Damascus along with their own Forend ,with these 12 Ga. Barrels on including their own Forend the gun still weighs 9 Lb. 6 Oz. The gun feels different in hand as the weight of the 32" Barrels are distributed along the entire length of the gun but the weight of the 12 Ga. Barrels is more centralized between the hands ! Hope this helps ! Russ
I suspect I'll be satisfied with the EH #2 30" M/IM gun I bought last night and maybe relatively soon I can find a nice EH #3 32" F/F to go with it . Wouldn't mind another on a #6 frame but I am not holding my breath .

[CraigThompson]

I have a grade 3 4 frame 10 ga with 32 in barrels. Not sure of the weight but will weigh it today and post. Carvel

You need to bring that bad boy up my way this spring and maybe Patton and Doc Lehue can join us at the Flying Rabbit in Mt Crawford .

[Pete Lester]

Greg and Brian, I did not see any ejector equipped grade 1 or 2 10 ga. guns listed in the serialization book between serial #108000 and 140000. There were 10ga. ejector equipped guns listed in Grade 3 and above in this same group. Of course there are many SNs missing from this book and what information is available in the order books may be another matter. HTH.

Does anyone have or has anyone seen a Grade 1 or Grade 2 composite barrel hammerless 10 ga with factory ejectors? I went through the same exercise as Fred last year (it was a long cold winter then too) and I never came across any in the Serialization book.