Pin fire cape gun

[wayne goerres]

Received my new (old) pin fire today in the mail. It is a 20ga x 58cal (1.5" case). Both bores are mint and the hammer faces are unmarked. They show no signs of gas cutting. I think the gun may be unfired. Except for the repair to the wrist the gun looks great. If anybody recognizes the name of the maker please chime in. I think it is German. There are no proof marks on the gun what so ever. Any help would be appreciated.

[wayne goerres]

Here is a couple more. tryed to get decent pic's of the bores with no luck.

[Rick Losey]

I (J?) ung and son of SUHL = umlaut and all - definitely German

you might find some info at the German gun collector's site

[Eldon Goddard]

Very cool. Those barrels are nice.

[wayne goerres]

I had forgotten about that sight. I will try that. I was told that it was Johann Friedrick Jung and sons Suhl. But I am not sure. They said that Jung was actually pronounced Young.

[charlie cleveland]

nice cool piece you got there wayne...is the old rifle round stout enough for deer or pigs...charlie

[wayne goerres]

I don't know Charlie. I will have to order some brass next week and load for it. This is going to be a little tougher project.

[Rick Losey]

I had forgotten about that sight. I will try that. I was told that it was Johann Friedrick Jung and sons Suhl. But I am not sure. They said that Jung was actually pronounced Young.

ja

a German J sounds like an English Y

just as jeager (hunter) is pronounced Yea-ger

[wayne goerres]

I tried to do a search on the German Gun Collectors site last nite but you have to join the forum. They were asking a question I did not understand. So I asked a friend today and found out what I needed to register. I will try again to register.

[CraigThompson]

Do you happen to have one of the 58 cal cases ? The whole pin fire thing intrigues me , my only qualm is carrying extra cartridges .

[Milton Starr]

Wayne you could try testing the 58 cal mini balls
I have seen the hollow base filled with wax for loading in cartridges so you get a fully compressed load . Couldn't you carry the cartridges with the pins removed and just insert them when you are in position to fire ? Not ideal for shooting high volume game I know .

[wayne goerres]

Crag I don't have an original case for the gun. Milton sorry your idea of inserting a pin wont work. If you look them up you will understand. My bore measures exactly .577 so I may not nee to use a mini ball. You do not need to use wax in the base of a mini they work just fine with out it.

[charlie cleveland]

never thought about how easy it would be set one of these pin fire shells off if being toted in a pocket or satchal...guess you would need to fix something to carry loaded shells safely...charlie

[wayne goerres]

Yea its a little bomb. I put the 16ga in a twelve ga box and alternated each row so that there is room for the firing pins to face down. the first row will be firing pin up second row shells reversed and pins down. I just would not recommend dropping any thing. May be why pin fire system did not last long.

[CraigThompson]

Crag I don't have an original case for the gun. Milton sorry your idea of inserting a pin wont work. If you look them up you will understand. My bore measures exactly .577 so I may not nee to use a mini ball. You do not need to use wax in the base of a mini they work just fine with out it.

So if you're out hunting lets say how do you carry this thing loaded in a safe fashion ?

Seems to me to be ready you'll need to walk around with the hammers cocked and I am assuming this thing doesn't have a safety as such .

[wayne goerres]

The hammers have a half cock on them. They are as safe as any muzzle loader as long as you don't drop the shell and hit the firing.pin. Finding a way of carrying them is the problem.

[wayne goerres]

Finally able to post some pis's of the ammunition for this cape gun. Have test fired for function yesterday and hopefully I can test fire for accuracy this weekend. This is a very time consuming project. WARNING THIS IS DANGEROUS. Not for the faint of heart.

[charlie cleveland]

good going wayne i hope she shoots well..i beleave that gun would do fine on deer up close....charlie

[wayne goerres]

Be-leave it or not the rifle load kicks like an old mule. It whacked my finger pretty good the first time I fired it.