Ithica NID 10 gauge 3 1/2"

[CraigThompson]

Did Ithaca put a marking of some kind on the 3 1/2" guns ?

Kinda like a LC Smith Long Range or Wildfowler would have 3" on the bottom side of the barrels . Did Ithaca put something similar on what were supposed to be their NID 10 gauge 3 1/2" Magnum guns ?

[Dave Noreen]

The Ithaca NID Magnum-Tens were built on a longer frame with an extension of the barrel lug through the bottom of the frame, and a larger diameter hinge-pin then the regular NID. All of the Magnum-Tens are in the 500000 to 501011 serial number range, and every one I've looked at is marked 3 1/2 inch chambers on the barrel flats.

FWIW -- The Chas. Askins/Elmer Keith original Magnum-Ten, serial number 500000 is coming up for auction in the March 2015 Julia's Auction. Of course it has the hideous Fred Shaw 1962 restock that Elmer had done and no longer looks like this --

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[CraigThompson]

So if it isn't marked as such on the barrel flats it's 99% that it isn't a magnum ?

[CraigThompson]

That Askins gun would be okay to have ! Keith never carried much weight with me . When I was growing up I was more of the O'Conner school .

[CraigThompson]

To be honest the reason I asked , Vintage Firearms in MI has a Grade 2 they say is the Magnum and the seriel number is 500,6xx but the barrel flats have no markings leading one to believe its a 3 1/2" gun .

[Bill Murphy]

The serial number and the frame style and measurements would be the final answer. The lack of chamber length markings could be an error at the factory.

[Bob Brown]

Craig, as Researcher said the exposed barrel lug on the bottom of the frame is a quick answer. All the magnum 3 1/2" and magnum framed 3" 12's had the lug through the action.

[Dave Noreen]

I'm at the Las Vegas show. If Jay has it here I'll give it a look tomorrow, but it sounds like it is a righteous Magnum-Ten.

Actually it was a 1937 SAAMI suggestion that manufacturers mark the chamber length on guns.

[CraigThompson]

Well in his pictures the lug goes thru the bottom of the action .

[Allen Peterson]

I looked at that gun on their website and its a Mag Ten. I just feel he is asking about twice what its worth. Don't get me wrong I love mine there is nothing better for long range waterfowling in my opinion . I believe they made more mag 10s then the NID super 10s. good luck

[CraigThompson]

I looked at that gun on their website and its a Mag Ten. I just feel he is asking about twice what its worth. Don't get me wrong I love mine there is nothing better for long range waterfowling in my opinion . I believe they made more mag 10s then the NID super 10s. good luck

The Ithaca Mag 10 is for 3 1/2" and the Super 10 is for 2 7/8" ?

If that's the case whats the difference between a Super 10 and any other NID 10 gauge 2 7/8" ?

I have an NID 10 from 22 or 23 I think .

I was wondering if the price on that gun was STOUT , but refrained from asking !

[Dave Noreen]

The NID was introduced in the 1926 Ithaca Gun Co. catalogue. All the 10-gauge NIDs on the regular frame, in the serial number range beginning at 425000, are Super-Tens. The 10-gauge Flues, Minier, Lewis, Crass, NIG, and Baker model Ithacas are not Super-Tens. That said I for several years watched a fellow shooting 3 1/2 inch Magnum-Ten shells in an ancient Damascus barrel Crass Model on the firing line above Stratford Refuge in the 1960s!!

[CraigThompson]

The NID was introduced in the 1926 Ithaca Gun Co. catalogue. All the 10-gauge NIDs on the regular frame, in the serial number range beginning at 425000, are Super-Tens. The 10-gauge Flues, Minier, Lewis, Crass, NIG, and Baker model Ithacas are not Super-Tens. That said I for several years watched a fellow shooting 3 1/2 inch Magnum-Ten shells in an ancient Damascus barrel Crass Model on the firing line above Stratford Refuge in the 1960s!!

So then since the one I have is an NID it wasn't made in 22 or 23 ?

And it IS a Super Ten then , correct ?

[CraigThompson]

My NID 10 ,

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[Dave Noreen]

Yes. That is a Super-Ten. Much like my No. 2 from 1931 --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/IthacaNIDGrade210-gauge.jpg

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[CraigThompson]

I think I got my idea about date of manufacture from the Double Gun Journal seriel number thingy !

I wish the gun was out of the safe , I'd send you a PM and see if you could give me a more correct date of manufacture !

Thanks for all the info and clarification !

[CraigThompson]

I like my old Ithaca but the stock doesn't exactly fit me correctly !

I took it out a year or so ago and shot two rounds of trap with it , and it barked me pretty well on the cheekbone .

I will say however with my 1 1/4 ounce loads and the rather tight chokes that gun will reach out there and touch them !

Does very nicely also with my handloaded #3 and 000 Buck handloads .

Bowled this little guy over in the 2013/2014 season on the next to last Saturday . I was shooting #3 Buck in the right barrel and 000 in the left .

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[Dave Noreen]

To be honest the reason I asked , Vintage Firearms in MI has a Grade 2 they say is the Magnum and the seriel number is 500,6xx but the barrel flats have no markings leading one to believe its a 3 1/2" gun .

I looked at the gun in Las Vegas. The barrel flats are marked with the serial number, the choke markings 4 and 4, the numeral 2 for grade, the mark of the Ithaca employee that proofed the gun, and 3 1/2" Chambers.

[CraigThompson]

I looked at the gun in Las Vegas. The barrel flats are marked with the serial number, the choke markings 4 and 4, the numeral 2 for grade, the mark of the Ithaca employee that proofed the gun, and 3 1/2" Chambers.

Hmmm the picture I saw of the barrel flats I wasn't able to see the 3 1/2" markings .