Ithaca 4E 16

[Harold Lee Pickens]

We recently saw pictures of Russ Jackson's Ithaca Grade 2 Pigeon, and I shared some of my Grade 3 Lewis. Into my life today walks a stunning Ithaca 4E 16. All original with the exception that a new Ithaca repro Sunburst recoil pad comes with the gun, but not yet installed. Old pad has collapsed. Beautiful wood, and Ithaca's checkering patterns are second to none. 28" tubes that may be F/F(drat)
, but I didn't have choke gauge or camera with me.
It is a little heavier than I prefer at about 6 3/4 lbs, like a 1 frame parker 16. Apparently, engraving patterns varied a lot thru the years, from what I could pull up off the internet. Were many 16 ga 4E's made?

[Mark Ouellette]

If a member writes about a new gun but doesn't post photos, even a few cell phone snapshots, does the gun really exist?

[Dean Romig]

NOOOOO

[Rick Losey]

If a member writes about a new gun but doesn't post photos, even a few cell phone snapshots, does the gun really exist?

as I have said before- should be a rule- we have rules about other posts - none are as critical as this one

[Mark Ouellette]

Guys,

Harold Lee Pickens is a great guy! He just needs to remember his friends need a new gun fix.

Got a new gun? How about sharing it with your friends?

Mark

[Rick Losey]

and if we did not know Harold- we would not- ok -- might not - rib him for this

[John Dallas]

Mark's rule is similar to the one in our house. If I express an opinion, and my wife is not there to hear it, am I still wrong?

[Harold Lee Pickens]

NOT, my gun yet, and owner did not want me to post photos. He has offered it to me at a very fair price, I was just inquiring about 4E 16 Ithacas, I have never seen one before, and my knowledge is limited to say the least. I was hoping to be enlightened to help make the decision. Heck, if it becomes mine, I guarantee you will see pictures ad nauseum--I will even let you shoot it!
To make things even more interesting, I was offered a "bundle" deal which includes a kind

of unique little Lefever 20. So anybody fluent in Ithaca?

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I have just broke into my piggybank and am counting pennies

[Dean Romig]

I have just broke into my piggybank and am counting pennies


Oh stop it :corn:

[Mark Ouellette]

Harold,

Since you have to count pennies to buy the pair go ahead and keep the nice Ithaca and sell the Lefever to me... :rotf:

Mark

[Allen Peterson]

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq216/simcgunner/WP_20150114_0101_zpsc2d07e6e.jpg (http://s449.photobucket.com/user/simcgunner/media/WP_20150114_0101_zpsc2d07e6e.jpg.html)
Here is a 12 ga I have is the engraving this era?
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq216/simcgunner/WP_20150114_0061_zps62d9803d.jpg (http://s449.photobucket.com/user/simcgunner/media/WP_20150114_0061_zps62d9803d.jpg.html)
Mine is a 32inch bbl English stock. it could use a 16 ga little brother.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

The 16 is probably a later gun, ser#4488xx (1927), and does not have cocking indicators. It has a pistol grip and splinter fore arm. Very nice gun you have, if I don't take it, I can put you in touch with seller

[bill grill]

Cocking indicators came about around 1928 and were gone by 1932 if memory serves me correctly. Serial no. 400,000 and above are NID guns and engraving would be very similar like the one pictured.

[Rich Anderson]

Guys,



Got a new gun? How about sharing it with your friends?

Mark

My last couple have been rifles...still want to see them???:whistle:

[Rick Losey]

My last couple have been rifles...still want to see them???:whistle:

with your eye for guns- yes- fire them off in the off topics

[Rich Anderson]

I don't have access to the off topic forum any longer.

[Dave Noreen]

Cocking indicators came in with the NID Model in 1926. They were eliminated from the Ithaca literature in 1935. I have a .410-bore NID in the low 459xxx range and it has cocking indicators --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/IthacaFieldGrade410-BoreRight.jpg

and a 28-gauge NID No. 1 in the higher 459xxx range without --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/1935NIDGrade101.jpg

Here is a 16-gauge 1941 vintage NID No. 4E --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/IthacaNIDGrade4E16-GaugeStockLeft.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/IthacaNIDGrade4E16-Gauge.jpg

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Dave, beautiful!! Well, the 4E 16 is now mine, but the owner is out of town this weekend. I promise plenty of pics.

[Dave Noreen]

In addition to what I stated above, I've seen a number of higher grade NIDs without the indicators in lower serial number ranges, which were likely special ordered without. In his original review of the NID, Capt. Chas. Askins said "it smacked of the Heinie gun" which probably didn't endear it to veterans of The Great War!! However, there were indicators on the good Captains Magnum-Ten No. 4E+. I've never seen a good enough picture of his fully loaded No. 5E 16-gauge to tell if it has indicators or not.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ithaca%20and%20Lefever/ChasAskinsNo5E16-gauge_zps01c75def.jpeg

[David Lien]

this is a 4 grade Ithaca Super ten. Ser.# 455,7xx. this gun was in the rain and sleet to many times this rainy year. Will have to disassemble and check for rust from moisture entrance through the indicators. For the money these guns are good to a fault. I apologize for the Photo quality, but as you can see my cameras are like me "OLD". For some of us old double gun shooters it is hard to modern up. This is the gun that researcher Noreen found at the big Reno gun show a dozen or so years ago. He came up the isle saying quick get your money and come on. I do still owe him.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/dlien40/DSCN0332_zpsf079ffbe.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/dlien40/media/DSCN0332_zpsf079ffbe.jpg.html)

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/dlien40/DSCN0333_zpse835a461.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/dlien40/media/DSCN0333_zpse835a461.jpg.html)


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/dlien40/DSCN0328_zpsf496d13c.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/dlien40/media/DSCN0328_zpsf496d13c.jpg.html)


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/dlien40/DSCN0325_zps71c57574.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/dlien40/media/DSCN0325_zps71c57574.jpg.html)

[Harold Lee Pickens]

very nice Dave, I have never owned/shot a 10 ga.

[Rick Losey]

and I have never owned nor shot a Leica :)

always been a Nikon guy,

but that is a very appropriate camera for capturing that gun

[charlie cleveland]

lovely ten gauge......i too like the ithaca gun by the way nice camera..i too don t like change in things....charlie