10 gauge clays load

[Ryan Keirl]

Im wanting to load 1 1/8 oz. Hull options are cheds beacause theyre readily available, Remington olive drabs, or already cut 2 7/8 federals after I shoot RSTs factory loaded shell. Ive seen alot of info in the short 10 spread sheets and saw a load of 19 gr. of red dot for 1 1/8 oz someone was talking about. The easiest rout for me would be cheddite 3.5" hulls and PT1044 wads or sp10 wads (pt1044 wads seem to be for light loads but I have no idea which would be better) from BPI. I have a mec press so ill be fold crimping. Now my question is if I went the easy route, would the 19 grs of red dot, pt1044 wad filled with 1 1/8 oz of lead (and poasibly/probably filler wad or something to get crimp) be an acceptable starting point?

[Pete Lester]

Ryan, 1 1/8 ounce load out of a 10ga is a great load for both clays and some game. Whatever published data for loading the 2 7/8" 10ga that I could find is in the short 10 spread sheet that is on this site. Your desired combination of Cheddite hull, Ballistic Products wad, and Red Dot is an unpublished load meaning there is no available data for pressure and velocity. Same is true when using a Federal hull. What I can tell you is the combination of Federal hull (2 7/8), SP10 wad, 1/2" filler wad, 1 1/8 shot and 19 grains of Red Dot shoots very well, it's pleasant to shoot and works great. I don't believe 19 grains of Red Dot and 1 1/8 ounce of lead in any combination would stress or ever hurt a 10ga. Just understand it's a wildcat load, but take some comfort that others here are shooting it without issue.

[Dean Romig]

The easiest rout for me would be cheddite 3.5" hulls and PT1044 wads or sp10 wads (pt1044 wads seem to be for light loads but I have no idea which would be better) from BPI.


Ryan - you left out the part where you cut the 3.5" hulls to the desired length. :shock:

[charlie cleveland]

i shoot the load pete gave out with the reddot powder you will like this load it kill s squirls clean out to 50 yards...charlie

[Paul Harm]

I shoot 19grs of RD/ 1 1/16oz of shot with a 1/4" card cut in half [ for filler in a SP-10 wad ] in a 2 5/8 Remington, Federal, or Win hull and like it.

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

I have been using PB in my 10 Ga. with the SP 10 wad in the brown federal hulls with no problems, however, when I tried the same combination in the new Cheddite hulls I've had powder seepage around the base of the SP 10 wad. It seems as though I might have to go to Red Dot as the powder granules appear to be larger. I have not yet tried the other wad that was mentioned. Is it slightly wider at the base than the SP 10's?

[Ryan Keirl]

I have not yet tried the other wad that was mentioned. Is it slightly wider at the base than the SP 10's?

Ive read where people say iys the same as the sp10 but it clearly looks different. Also read the same with the troubles you're having with the cheddite hulls due to a slightly thinner plastic making the ID slightly larger.

I think im going to go with the new Rem hulls cut down with 19 grs of Red Dot. I got a call today that my new loader is in so ill be anxious to start makin a few to try out!

In my constant research for 10 loads, someone said that thry had a friend from BPI send them data for a 1 ounce load using their wad, fed hulls cut down to 2 3/4". Thatd be interesting to try as well if I can acquire the actual recipe

[Paul Harm]

Ryan, any 12ga load that has pressure around 8 to 9000psi should be safe because it will have less pressure in a 10ga because the chamber has a bigger diameter for the pressure to push against. I usually stay away from BPI because their components are more expensive than after market components. Most of their loads are for what they sell. I know they sell some things you can only get from them, but other than that I don't buy from them. I can buy CB 12ga wads for 80$/5000 [ or $8/500] - about half of what they get. I think you'll find the Rem, Win, or Federal 10ga hulls will last longer than the Cheddite hulls. I know loading 12ga the Cheddites are only good for about half the reloading life as the American hulls.

[Ryan Keirl]

Ive read the same about using low pressure 12 gauge data for the 10 but I never could wrap my head around that id be using a different wad and not sure how that would change things. I plan on using Remington hulls from PR. Not sure what primer they have in them (57 or STS). So you're saying I could find a low pressure 1 1/8 oz 12 ga load and use the poder and charge weight that load calls for and stuff it in a 10 gauge hull with a sp10 wad? What about filler? I know BPIs stuff is pricey but their 10 ga wads are cheaper than the sp10 by about $7! Also, alliants green dot data is intriguing as it is for a 3.5" hull and 1 1/4 oz of shot. Although it uses (6) 0.135" cards to bring the column up and its 1/8 oz more of shot than I want. That way I would save a step by trimming the hulls.

[Pete Lester]

Ive read the same about using low pressure 12 gauge data for the 10 but I never could wrap my head around that id be using a different wad and not sure how that would change things. I plan on using Remington hulls from PR. Not sure what primer they have in them (57 or STS). So you're saying I could find a low pressure 1 1/8 oz 12 ga load and use the poder and charge weight that load calls for and stuff it in a 10 gauge hull with a sp10 wad? What about filler? I know BPIs stuff is pricey but their 10 ga wads are cheaper than the sp10 by about $7! Also, alliants green dot data is intriguing as it is for a 3.5" hull and 1 1/4 oz of shot. Although it uses (6) 0.135" cards to bring the column up and its 1/8 oz more of shot than I want. That way I would save a step by trimming the hulls.

Ryan, are you shooting a gun chambered for 3.5" shells? If not trim the hull especially if lower pressure is a concern. Hulls using 57 size primers were unique to Remington and have not been made for close to 40 years or so.

The SP10 is a good wad for lead in a 10ga, I have not used the BPI wad but heard it was similar. I have shot some old Versalite wads but they produced far too many squib loads so my guess is they are not providing a tight seal. The SP10 works well with every hull I have tried.

Even if you are shooting a 3.5" chamber gun, 2 7/8" shells with light loads will work just fine. With regards to that Green Dot load, use a 2 7/8" hull and you will need less than 2 .135 cards, not 6 the 3.5 calls for. I also recommend backing the powder charge off to 27 grains of Green Dot with that 1 1/4 ounce of shot.

[Ryan Keirl]

Yes, it's a 3.5" chambered gun but the lighter loads are more plentiful in the short ten and came here due to the vast info and knowledge of the short ten to serve my purpose. I realize the sp10 is by far the most popular wad and I have no problem with using it. I just know the BPI wads are cheaper and cost savings while reloading is a plus.

[Ryan Keirl]

Also,that load that calls for the 0.135 cards... all I am finding is 20 gauge 1/8" cards but that comes out to 0.125".

[Pete Lester]

Also,that load that calls for the 0.135 cards... all I am finding is 20 gauge 1/8" cards but that comes out to 0.125".

I have come to prefer the fiber filler wads, 16ga sold by BPI. The nitro cards are designed to be over the powder cards and they are hard and unforgiving as filler wads. If you have the shot column at the exact right height they work great, but if it's just slightly tall it can cause a problem with buckled hulls. The fiber filler wads have some give to prevent this. In addition the 1/2 inch wads can be split to whatever size you need with a thumbnail. They do provide some confetti when the gun goes off LOL.

[Mark Ouellette]

I have come to prefer the fiber filler wads, 16ga sold by BPI. They do provide some confetti when the gun goes off LOL.

I shoot confetti loads and find them comforting as I do the reassuring push of recoil!

Mark

[Craig Larter]

I have been loading 10ga 2 7/8" 1 1/8oz loads for a number of years now. I have always used Federal hulls until recently. I switched to Remington due to the plastic base versus the fiber base in the Federal hulls. I was concerned about the fiber base shooting out after repeated reloads. Anyhow, the Remington hulls are very consistent and I get a perfect crimp every time. I use two .070 overshot cards and one .125 fiber wad in the bottom of a SP-10 wad. I use the load published by S Bell. Does the Cheddite hull have a plastic or fiber base??
I have question for you guys using a wildcat load with red dot powder---why wouldn't you send 3 shells to T Armburst for testing just to confirm it is an appropriate load for the vintage short ten guns? The peace of mind would be worth the $15.00 to me.
Also, I reload only 7625 in 10 gauge and have never had cold weather bloopers and I live in western NY state (think cold and snow!!). I wonder if some reloaders experience cold weather bloopers from a weak crimp as a result of worn out hulls??

[Pete Lester]

I have question for you guys using a wildcat load with red dot powder---why wouldn't you send 3 shells to T Armburst for testing just to confirm it is an appropriate load for the vintage short ten guns? The peace of mind would be worth the $15.00 to me.
Also, I reload only 7625 in 10 gauge and have never had cold weather bloopers and I live in western NY state (think cold and snow!!). I wonder if some reloaders experience cold weather bloopers from a weak crimp as a result of worn out hulls??

I inquired a couple of years ago about doing that, from what I can recall Tom wanted 6 shells, 1 to disassemble and analyze and 5 to shoot a string at $5 a shot. The issue for me was you can't ship ammunition via USPS. You can ship it via UPS using an ORM-D label. I don't think there is a hazmat fee but there may be. My UPS shipping/receiving center (you can't use the stores) seems to have people that are either nervous about or don't like anything gun related. They me gave such a hard time about shipping just a muzzle-loader I had sold, I walked out and took it to the Post Office. Anybody here sent stuff to Tom to be tested? As far as a piece of mind, 19 grains of Red Dot works great, I have no qualms.

[Craig Larter]

I have sent several loads to Tom Armburst. I have only ever sent 3 shells and my recipe. Tom suggested FedEx ground and I have never had a problem. I have developed a few 10ga bismuth loads and felt the cost was worth it to me. Anyhow I think I will load some red dot and send them to Tom since 7625 has been discontinued. Thanks Craig

[Pete Lester]

I have sent several loads to Tom Armburst. I have only ever sent 3 shells and my recipe. Tom suggested FedEx ground and I have never had a problem. I have developed a few 10ga bismuth loads and felt the cost was worth it to me. Anyhow I think I will load some red dot and send them to Tom since 7625 has been discontinued. Thanks Craig

Craig, do you go to the FedEx shipping center to ship the shells? All I see around here is their trucks and mail boxes where you leave stuff for them. Is there a hazmat fee, ORM-D labeling etc with FedEx?

[Craig Larter]

Tom has told me put three shells in a corrugated box well packed and take them to a FedEx store and ship them ground. That's what I have done a number of times. No questions from the shipping clerk. Craig

[Paul Harm]

Years back I shipped a couple of shells - don't remember how - think it was the post office. I don't remember there being a problem. Tell them it's " just a small item that punches holes in paper ".

[wayne goerres]

Pete there is no has-mat fee on loaded ammo just powder and primers and percussion caps. The people at our UPS store told me that the individual Ups stores our owned by a company that has its own set of shipping rules. Very anti gun.they are not owned by UPS. This is according to the manager. You can drop four or five shells in a flat rate box and pack them si they don't roll around and they wont get a second look.

[scott kittredge]

Pete there is no has-mat fee on loaded ammo just powder and primers and percussion caps. The people at our UPS store told me that the individual Ups stores our owned by a company that has its own set of shipping rules. Very anti gun.they are not owned by UPS. This is according to the manager. You can drop four or five shells in a flat rate box and pack them si they don't roll around and they wont get a second look.

That's what i have been told too.

[Ryan Keirl]

Ok, I got all my conponents except red dot. Hopefully, my wife will pick some up at scheels if they have it in stock tomorrow. I weighed out 1 1/8 oz of 7.5 shot. I put the 16 gauge 1/2" fiber wad in first and the shot would spill over the top of the SP10. When I go to actually load acouple of these, should I put the fiber wad under still and just let the shot be contained by the hull or shot first and thrn the wad under crimp?

[Ryan Keirl]

Double post

[Ryan Keirl]

And im pretty sure my OD Rem hulls ave more internal volume than the federals that everyone uses. Going to have to cut hulls down a little more I believe and add a washer or something under the short kit for my mec

[Craig Larter]

For 1 1/8oz #7 or #8's I use two .125 16ga card wads in the bottom of the sp-10 shot cup. The 16ga card wads from circle fly actually measure about .140 thick. I get a good crimp with either the Remington or Federal hull cut to exactly 2 7/8"

[Pete Lester]

Ok, I got all my conponents except red dot. Hopefully, my wife will pick some up at scheels if they have it in stock tomorrow. I weighed out 1 1/8 oz of 7.5 shot. I put the 16 gauge 1/2" fiber wad in first and the shot would spill over the top of the SP10. When I go to actually load acouple of these, should I put the fiber wad under still and just let the shot be contained by the hull or shot first and thrn the wad under crimp?

I would not worry about shot being over the shot cup of the SP10 wad as long as the overall height is correct for a good crimp. These old guns were built and shot long before the plastic shot cup had been invented. In the old days the entire shot column was in contact with the bore. Using 1 1/8 ounce loads and the SP10 with that 1/2 filler wad my Parker will pattern in the high 80 percentile and my Remington 1894 in the low 90 percentile. The small amount of shot not in the cup won't matter.

[charlie cleveland]

that 1 1/8 ounce load in a short ten has got to be one of the best patterning loads ever developed....charlie

[Paul Harm]

CL, it's cheaper to cut a 1/2" cushion wad the cut the correct thickness than to use two 125 cards. You can get two reloads out of one wad. Your way would use four wads. Also, I found you first seat the plastic wad then lightly seat the fiber wad in the plastic wad. If you use too much pressure doing it together or seating the fiber wad sometimes the fiber wad will stick in the drop tube and cause a mess after the shot drop. I now have a 12ga drop tube installed and haven't had the problem again.

[Michael Watson]

Ok, I got all my conponents except red dot. Hopefully, my wife will pick some up at scheels if they have it in stock tomorrow. I weighed out 1 1/8 oz of 7.5 shot. I put the 16 gauge 1/2" fiber wad in first and the shot would spill over the top of the SP10. When I go to actually load acouple of these, should I put the fiber wad under still and just let the shot be contained by the hull or shot first and thrn the wad under crimp?

If you want a tight pattern, put the fiber wads in first. If you want a wider pattern put the shot in first. The fiber wads act like a spreader wad. These are the results that I've seen with my reloads in my gun. Load a couple of each and see what your gun likes.

[Pete Lester]

Try to keep in mind these guns were built long before the invention of the plastic shot cup. Their chokes and pattern performance was done when the entire length of the shot column was in direct contact with the bore. Most of them still shot very tight. If you are concerned about the filler wad raising a portion of the shot column above the shot cup of the wad you are over thinking the process. Load the shell with the shot on top of the filler and you will see the choke performance as the gun was designed. Put the filler wad on top of the shot and you have created a poor man's spreader load.

[William Davis]

I am with Paul on the Fiber Cushion Wad split in half and loading the plastic wad first then adding the fiber wad as a 2nd step.

With 1/2 inch Fiber wads you can adjust the stack height to suit your load. If using a Mec 600 set the wad pressure to compress it some. They have some spring to them, if the stack height is just a bit too high, shot over the wad edge, they will compress some on crimping. Shell is fired they compress even more so no shot touches the barrel.

I have a 10 load that uses 2/3 of a 1/2 inch 16 G fiber. Take all the 1/3 remainders pair them up and load them just like they were a full 2/3 cut.

Over shot for spreaders I use a Polywad 12 G spreader disk, yellow one with the post. It loads and spreads very well in the 10 G shell.

William

[Paul Harm]

I've loaded Remington, Federal, and Winchester 10ga hulls all the same. I believe they're all straight walled hulls and load and crimp the same. I don't make any changes to the press.

[William Davis]

Same here just loaded 100'Remingtons 100 Cheddites, no change to anything powder wad shot filler wad or press adjustment.

Shot almost all of them today you can't tell one from the other recoil report or how they break targets.

William