And you think Parker memorbelia is out of hand....

[Jay Gardner]

Check out this item on eBay. Note: 15 bids before it sold.

190375442265

[Pete Lester]

Here is the link to it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190375442265&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_nkw %3D190375442265%26_in_kw%3D1%26_ex_kw%3D%26_sacat% 3DSee-All-Categories%26_okw%3D190375442265%26_oexkw%3D%26_ud lo%3D%26_udhi%3D%26_ftrt%3D901%26_ftrv%3D1%26_sabd lo%3D%26_sabdhi%3D%26_samilow%3D%26_samihi%3D%26_s adis%3D200%26_fpos%3DZip%2Bcode%26_fsct%3D%26LH_SA LE_CURRENCY%3D0%26_sop%3D12%26_dmd%3D1%26_ipg%3D50 %26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

[Jeff Kuss]

I don't feel so bad about what I paid for a Parker paper shell at Louisville two weeks ago!

[Bill Murphy]

Smith stuff is pretty hot. Every time one of their trophy whiskey pitchers comes up for sale, the price is higher than the last time. I guess everyone thinks that will be their last chance. When did we last see a Parker-Remington Salesman's Portfolio come up for sale? How about a Clown catalog?

[Dave Noreen]

The last sale of a "Clown Catalogue" I recorded was $1606.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

It's sad that Parker didn't seem to make stuff like this watch fob and the whiskey pitchers. I've never seen anything directly Parker Gun Co. that was anywhere near that cool.

I've got some early employee badges from the Charles Parker Company but they could be from somebody who made toilet fittings.


Destry

[Dave Suponski]

Why...You got a problem with toilet fittings?.....:rolleyes:

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I love 'em to death when I'm actually on the toilet, but when it comes to Parker memorabilia I'd like to at least know it came from a gunworks employee.

DLH

[Dave Suponski]

Right answer...You Win!......:biglaugh:

[Bill Murphy]

They just don't make urinals like they used to.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

What in the world did all that have to do with an LC Smith watch fob?????

[Jay Gardner]

What in the world did all that have to do with an LC Smith watch fob?????

Perhaps one could argue that spending $2.200 on an LC Smith faub is pizzing away money?:rolleyes:

[Bill Murphy]

No way is that a bad buy. The pitchers went way above that figure years ago. This stuff takes up a lot less room than the guns.

[Larry Frey]

No way is that a bad buy. The pitchers went way above that figure years ago. This stuff takes up a lot less room than the guns.

But Bill, you can't hunt with them!

[Dave Suponski]

Francis....It's spelled "Pollock"....:rolleyes:

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Huh?

[Bruce Day]

Clearly, an orderly mind is overrated.

[Chuck Bishop]

This thread quickly went into the "crapper"

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Our friend can't post on the LC Smith forum so apparently has to discuss his Smith guns here too.

[Dave Suponski]

Aw...Everybody needs a "Crapper" thread every once in a while but this one even beats our usual "Veering" BUT....we do alot better staying on topic than them guys over on the Doublegun BBS....

[Bill Murphy]

Hey, Destry, what's this "our friend" business. He's your friend. You shoot thrown birds with him and will probably take him to GB next year. I'm glad he got over being banned from this site, but he had to come in under his real name to get over that. How did he get over being banned when the other guy is still banned? Maybe our webmaster doesn't know who Francis is.

[Dean Romig]

Oh NO! Not an alter ego! Spare us!

[Bill Murphy]

Francis, I'm glad you caught the line about "I'm glad he got over being banned". After rereading my post, I was afraid you would misunderstand. I bought a Parker today and I may go over to the Smith site to tell them about it. You know, the Smith guys have a shoot in Carlisle, PA in March. If you can come, I'll get you a sponsor if you're not a member.

[Kevin McCormack]

Everyone:
I'll bet a flat of RST 28 ga. 2 1/2 inch shells that we see someone wearing that L.C. Smith 'fob' around the grounds at the Southern at Deep River in a couple of months;

Destry: please get rid of that hideous picture and the overlengthy quote footnoting all your posts lately; both are light years and a galaxy away from the preppy bars in Ann Arbor;

Eightbore: In case word has not reached you yet, it is now much in vogue and (in some associations) a badge of honor to have been banned from a BBS!

Researcher; My last "close encounter" with a Clown Catalog via Ron Willoughby was in excess of $2K.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Kevin,

I like my new decorations and plan on clinging to them till at least hunting season. I may work in an Ann Arbor bar but I most definitely don't fit in there. I think that's why they hired me, a redneck strikes the fear of God into these yuppie ying yangs.


Destry

[Bruce Day]

Now Francis, don't put words in my mouth. I did not call Mr Hoffard "Falstaff". I was responding to a post by Bill Bolyard and Destry picked up on my citation to the quote from Shakespeare and jumped in. What name Destry chooses to call and label himself is not my concern nor my doing. In fact I like his waterfowling posts and appreciate his dedication to that aspect of hunting. He certainly likes getting wet and freezing at 5am a lot more than I do.

Bruce Once was a Young Urban Professional ( Yuppie), now a Middle Aged Urban Professional ( Muppie) Day.

[Bruce Day]

Francis, the private message service should work and if it doesn't, ask the webmaster. Maybe its your computer. I've never seen any difficulty with it.

Civility is key here, and a person only has to look at some of the other websites to appreciate that....especially those sites where people hide behind noms de plume which degenerate into noms de guerre. We have this "ignore" feature, where if a person doesn't even want to see, much less read, the posts of somebody else, they can list that person to be ignored, and those posts don't even appear on his computer. But regardless, following a conversation and staying on track is a good thing, in my opinion.

[Bruce Day]

John is the buck stops here man and contact him as you have done before.

[Bill Murphy]

Francis was not banned from this site for voluminous correspondence about unrelated subjects, although he was and is again, guilty of that (non hanging) offense. He was found guilty of bullying, using of obscenities and other offenses that only our webmaster may remember. I don't know how he got reinstated, but he did, under a name that the webmaster may not have recognized. It seems that Francis is going back to his old ways and may get banned again. Don't despair, Francis, I have been banned myself, but got myself back on track and here I am. Cut the crap and stick to the subject at hand.

[Dean Romig]

Gentlemen, it's getting difficult to see the difference between this thread and those on doublegunshop.com.... may I suggest you take your gloved (so far) fisticuffs elsewhere?

[Christopher Lien]

Dean, I agree.....
Your reference to activities on this thread resembling some over on the doublegunshop.com is a very accurate observation, particularly the recent FS post on the DGS.com where a gentleman who was simply attempting to sell his 16ga Smith had his thread hijacked and decimated by a "FOX" we are familiar with... Many folks witnessed the offensive multi-page plethora of (unrelated) minutiae, and that disturbing display may very well be one of the best (poster-child) examples of why the PGCA website has resisted having a "Guns For Sale" category... Readers can decide for themselves if they recognize any similarities in the thread link below to various posts regularly made on this site...

http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=173223

Best, CSL
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[Robert Delk]

I would be very interested to know if Parker ever commissioned any ceramics,silver loving cups or other awards to be given in their name.The Hunter Arms ceramics are a big deal for art pottery and advertising collectors many of whom don't even give a hoot about the guns.Watch fob collectors are also very aggressive in buying any rare fobs as many have disappeared over the years.Any advertising pottery/stoneware is going to be expensive and especially so when made during the art pottery era.

[Jeff Kuss]

Robert
I am not aware of any. The closest thing would be guns with the award plates in the stock. Has anyone else seen anything?
Jeff

[Bill Murphy]

Robert, don't worry about the ceramics collectors. The L.C. Smith collectors are much more agressive bidders for Lennox Hunter Arms pitchers than any ceramics collector. Chris, don't beat around the bush. Mr. Francis Morin is the same person as Run with the Fox, the person who has been banned here and, according to him, on the Smith forum. He is disruptive on every forum where he has posted, has bullied anyone who stands up to him. However, he is a gun guy, has something to say, and should be allowed to correspond if he agrees to keep his disrupting posts to a minimum. Oh my gosh, did I really say that?

[Dave Suponski]

Yes you did Bill....And I will print it so that I have a hard copy....:rolleyes:

[Eric Eis]

As Dave said Bill "Yes you did" and yes I agree with everything that you wrote...

[Francis Morin]

[QUOTE=Christopher Lien;14469]Bill, you are right... It was early in the morning, hadn't yet had my coffee, I shoulda just pulled the trigger and went straight through the middle of that darned bush... Never underestimate the power of O'l Murph's natural instincts, he always knows how to sniff out those previously banned "Fox's" in the thick BBS underbrush...:bowdown:

You are also correct about the ceramic collectors, The "Hunter Arms" folks are much more aggressive with their money when it comes to acquisitions of the rare Lenox Vases, pitchers, and other related trinkets... I kinda suspect KBM will not win the bet he proposed earlier on in this thread, would probably be best for him to just shoot that flat of 28ga RST's himself, or hold onto them for a future wager that is more a sure thing...:)

Over the years I've been continually amazed by some of the prices realized for various old gun company items, and if a guy is not careful he could eventually have more money in early advertising treasures than he does in guns... I wonder how those kind of gun advertising related investments will hold up over time?... Don't let the Clown catalogs get too close to fireplace, and be careful where you display those ceramic Hunter Arms Vases, in addition to being a little spendy, they are also very fragile, no high ledges...;)

Best, -- Christopher- Osthaus or Percival Rousseau? beautiful indeed- No artist of that Golden Era captured the muscular tension of the details of the dog's feet like Edmund H. Osthaus- now if only he shot Parkers instead of Remington doubles, hey??:eek:

[Robert Delk]

I think all Mr. Morin would have to do is post pictures of his high grade Parkers and put a price on them and he would find that all is forgiven..or at least forgotten..for the moment.Life is too short to sweat the small stuff and I can forgive about anything from someone who takes care of his family and is kind to strangers and children when they need help.I still think that somewhere out there is a Parker commissioned trophy or high end award of some kind.

[Tim Sheldon]

[QUOTE=Bruce Day;14356]

Civility is key here, and a person only has to look at some of the other websites to appreciate that....especially those sites where people hide behind noms de plume QUOTE]

Keeping with the spirit of the thread and sorta being all over the place, which is good from time to time. If I were to have a nom de plume, I think it would be Nom de plume itself. Just because I dig that phrase so much, It's just fun to say, nom de plume...

:corn:

Tim

[George Lander]

Francis (or RWTF) I, for one, have seen nothing wrong or self serving in any of your posts. I also detect no lack of intelligence or education. Your choice of words and your overall vocabulary leave little doubt as to your ability to more than adequately express yourself (especially for an ex Jarhead) Please keep up your posts. I have enjoyed every one of them.

Best Regards, George RD-2 USN (retired)

BTW, Francis Marion is one of my heroes, especially being born and raised in South Carolina. He took his little team of farmers and whipped the stuffings out of the Bloody British. I have been to Snow's Island where his headquarters camp was located.

[Dave Suponski]

I just read this whole thread from Jays initial post till now.If you read it in it's entirety it's really pretty funny.....:biglaugh:

[Dave Suponski]

OK,I tried...I will leave this up to more capable hands.I'm gonna go shoot a Parker or two.And maybe even my straight stocked Mod 12 at some of those skeet birds in honor of Francis.:rolleyes:

[Bill Murphy]

You have to be quick to bid on those pitchers if you don't keep a daily hook out for them on ebay. I missed one advertised by a lady whose house I can see from the upstairs windows of my house. Didn't see the ad until a couple of hours after it sold, maybe to Chris. I think it would be neat to be able to track a pitcher to the shooter who won it, but I've not been able to do that. Francis, I guess you are here for the duration. As always, congratulations, and my offer of an invitation to attend the Smith shoot still stands.

[Tom Kidd]

A bit of eye candy for this thread. Enjoy!

[Christopher Lien]

Very nice Tom, thanks for sharing the early Parker and Hunter Arms trophies...

Just curious, what are the height/width dimensions on the Parker trophy, and is there anything engraved on the backside of the Hunter Arms Bolo identifying the winner or year presented?...

Best, CSL
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[Dick Miller]

Bill,
What did us Elsie guys do to you to deserve that "gracious" invitation to RWTF ? Your free beer at the Southern has been rescinded, but Linda is always welcome !

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I've heard of an early shooting trophy that has Parker lifter guns as legs on the silver cup but never actually seen the item. Anybody else ever heard rumor of that one?

DLH

[Robert Delk]

Shooting was a much more accepted sport in all its forms 90-120 years ago and I just think that with all the competition to sell trap guns that Parker would have not let Smith be the only one with something nice to put on the mantle,something the distaff side would approve of .I collect loving cups and have found a lot of them gathering dust in attics and think that if guns were just tools and a means to an end that there would be no reason to attach much importance to a trophy after the recipient had passed or lost interest.Have found tennis,golf,car racing,horse racing and even cock fighting trophies scrounging around.Some really nice and some made by an outfit in Meriden.

[Dave Suponski]

Robert,Those made in Meriden could have been Britannia or International Silver among others. Meriden was known as "The Silver City" because of its many manufactories for the silver industry.

[Larry Frey]

Robert,Those made in Meriden could have been Britannia or International Silver among others. Meriden was known as "The Silver City" because of its many manufactories for the silver industry.

Dave,
Wallace Silver was another large manufacturer of all things silver in the Meriden/Wallingford area.

[Bill Murphy]

Dick, my exact words were "I'll get you a sponsor if you're not a memeber." I did not imply that I would be that "sponsor". My offer still stands, though.

[Dave Suponski]

Thanks Larry,I know there are a few others besides the one's we mentioned but it was the best I could do off the top of my head....:rolleyes:

[Bill Murphy]

There was a supposedly real Parker Brothers trophy banging around the Allentown PA show for a few years. I was never able to get up enough nerve to pronounce it original. Maybe Tom Kidd or Kevin McCormack will remember it. I haven't seen it in five or six years at least.

[Jack Lester]

Check out the in store specials not the auction. There is a "Grey Squirrels" poster for 11 grand. Just a little over my budget but cool none the less. Jack

http://www.gunrunnerauctions.com/index.cfm

[Harry Collins]

Tom,

Does the du Bray trophy have any hallmarks? I took my fathers cavalry trophy to a silversmith to have a handle repaired and was informed that the trophy was made of lead! It looked silver to me and I grew up with a silver spoon in my mouth.

Harry

[Francis Morin]

[QUOTE=Jay Gardner;14279]Perhaps one could argue that spending $2.200 on an LC Smith faub is pizzing away money?:rolleyes:

Thanks Jay. I treasure the tools and skills I inherited from my Granddad as much or more than his guns. The most amount I have spent on a doublegun to date was that exact amount- a 12 Pigeon gun- a 2E DT rebarreled at Fulton in 1927 with 32" Nitro Ventilated Rib barrels- Full in both, 3" chambers and 8 lbs. even. I kill way more birds with it than any watch fob!!:bigbye:

[George Lander]

Francis I believe the only thing you're lacking is a FOX! I wish you could be at the SOUTHERN. I'd like to meet you in person.

Best Regards As Always, George

[Francis Morin]

[quote=George Lander;15360]Francis I believe the only thing you're lacking is a FOX! I wish you could be at the SOUTHERN. I'd like to meet you in person.

Best Regards As Always, George[

The pleasure would be mine as well, Suh! My TDY at Camp Lejeune in the 1960's made me appreciate Southern good manners.

I bought a HE 12 some 20 years ago from a Pawn Shop. Would NOT do that again today, as the serial numbers were filed down.

[George Lander]

Francis: I too was surprised at the final price for BW. I guess that it is a "sign of the times". I had some great times fighting with Marines at Charagamus in Old San Juan and at Roosevelt Roads, both in PR. My HE has the "BARRELS NOT GUARANTEED SEE" erased. Only the word "TAG" remains, but the SN is intact. I, too, hope that whoever bought BW will take it back to the blind at Nash's club in Arkansas and let go a few before it is parked forever in a museum.

Best Regards, George

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Be hard to do any gunning at his club in Arkansas, it's a Wildlife Refuge now and has been for many years.

DLH

[Francis Morin]

[quote=Dick Miller;14509]Bill,
What did us Elsie guys do to you to deserve that "gracious" invitation to RWTF ? Your free beer at the Southern has been rescinded, but Linda is always welcome !

Dick, I won't be at the Southern, so "no harm-no foul".

[Drew Hause]

We'll see where this goes :eek:
http://cgi.ebay.com/L-C-Smith-Hunter-Arms-Gun-Trophy-1904_W0QQitemZ150428288796QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiq ues_Silver?hash=item230639871c

The L.C. Smith trophy was given to State Championship Winners, and the earliest reference I've found was 1896. There had to have been 100s awarded.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Wow! I can't wait to see how that one plays out.

DLH

[Kevin McCormack]

There was a supposedly real Parker Brothers trophy banging around the Allentown PA show for a few years. I was never able to get up enough nerve to pronounce it original. Maybe Tom Kidd or Kevin McCormack will remember it. I haven't seen it in five or six years at least.

Yeah, Bill: I remember it well. It had a faux bronze base marked "Parker Bros. Meriden Ct.' with two pillars in the center of which was the statue of a shooter with a Parker like gun to his shoulder. The top piece was a faux bronze bridge with two finials that looked like miniature pineapples.

It was offered by none other than the venerable "Dr." Gerald Bullock of Greene, NY, a picturesque little village hard by the kennels from whence came my great old English Setter "Smoke", world's greatest grouse dog.

After we put the trophy "under the glass" at that show, it went undergound so to speak, and I (we) never saw it again. My guess is that it was a "project" piece, probably unbeknownst to the good Dr. Bullock. As I recall he provenanced it as having been aquired with "a bunch of other Parker 'stuff'. Over the years I had bought a few good shooting trophies from him; my best score being a 1912 Labor Day traphooting cup trophy from Millbrook NY, home of the Vintagers before it moved into our back yard at Pintail Point on the Eastern Shore of MD

I still lust after a vintage Philadelphia Gun Club trophy cup, after being aced out of a c. 1919 sample offered by our "Annie Oakley" buddy at the Old Baltimore Show years ago, after he got cold feet when I offered him his advertised price in full, saying he "needed to reseach it a little more", thinking he was "selling it too cheap", when someone was willing to pay full price. I'm sure that's what dealer's purgatory is for, the more I think about it!

[Drew Hause]

The L.C. Smith Trophy went for $810.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Less than I'd have thought.

DLH