Ryman setters in need of help!

[Jay Gardner]

There are threads on the SSBB and also on Birddogs and Doubles about a fairly large number of setters that showed up in a Bucks Co., PA shelter. Apparently they came from a nearby large kennel (really not too hard to figure out which one). Not sure the back-story or reason why so many beautiful dogs ended up in a shelter, and at this point it does not really matter, but they are there and need to be placed. (Note: this is NOT a no-kill shelter so there is a chance that some of these dogs will be euthanized if not placed).:cuss:

If anyone is interested in adopting a dog, or knows of anyone who might be interested, I would encourage you to take a look at the threads. It is extremely sad this has happened.

Thanks,

JDG

[Larry Frey]

Hi Jay,
Could you post a link to the threads concerning these dogs?

[Jay Gardner]

Here you go: http://www.birddogsanddoubles.com/talk/showthread.php?t=8713

I am VERY angry about this. I considered getting a pup from the kennel but am glad I stuck with Pinecoble. I certainly don't know about what happened before the dogs were picked up by state officials but even if the owners were forced by PA law to downsize their kennels there had to be better ways to handle the situation.:cuss:

JDG

[Don Kaas]

The new dog law in PA is very strict (an over reaction fueled by HSUS money to the "puppy mill" crisis, once again proving bad facts make bad law) and the owners may not have had a choice as the inspectors can act immediately-they just take the dogs. There have been some real horror stories on similar situations lately where the SPCA as agents for local government acted like facists without regard to basic due process. How the dogs ended up in Lahaska about 120 miles away from DeCoverly is a mystery to me. So, Jay, while you may in the end be correct until you get all the facts you may want to stow your indignation for a time...I always liked DeCoverly dogs but I was never that keen on somewhat pompous program and prices...my Ryman boy is from Setter Hills..

[Bill Bolyard]

Jay,

Thanks for the post on the plight of the poor Setters. I agree this could have been handled better,why did they not contact the English setter rescue? I have reread your post a couple times and am still confused, I can not find where you were self righteous or indignant, just worried about the welfare of the dogs. Just my take.

Bolyard

[Jay Gardner]

The new dog law in PA is very strict (an over reaction fueled by HSUS money to the "puppy mill" crisis, once again proving bad facts make bad law) and the owners may not have had a choice as the inspectors can act immediately-they just take the dogs. There have been some real horror stories on similar situations lately where the SPCA as agents for local government acted like fascists without regard to basic due process. How the dogs ended up in Lahaska about 120 miles away from DeCoverly is a mystery to me. So, Jay, while you may in the end be correct until you get all the facts you may want to stow your self righteous indignation for a time...I always liked DeCoverly dogs but I was never that keen on somewhat pompous program and prices...my Ryman boy is from Setter Hills..

Well Don, if I was in the business of selling cars and the state enacted a well-publicized law that said I could only have 100 cars on my lot and I knew I had 150. I would find a way to place those 50 cars before the state came knocking. I guess I would kind of expect to be on top of a law that would substantially effect the way I did business.

Sorry, but Recovery positioned themselves as the guardian of the Ryman name, splash advertisements in every high-end sporting mag in the industry, require applications and pre-purchase screening, then charge $1,500-$5,000 for their pups. This is their business and they should have been way out front of this one. But hell, what do I know.

By the way, I am not a fan of the HSUS, their politics, positions or practices, but there is a problem with puppy-mills, for just about any breed. I have never been to DeCoverly so I have never actually seen their operations so perhaps this is a case of unintended consequences. Regardless, it's just hard for me to come up with a rationale that results in so many of their dogs being sent to a shelter, especially when there were options, like setter rescue, available.

[Jay Gardner]

Jay,

Thanks for the post on the plight of the poor Setters. I agree this could have been handled better,why did they not contact the English setter rescue? I have reread your post a couple times and am still confused, I can not find where you were self righteous or indignant, just worried about the welfare of the dogs. Just my take.

Bolyard

Thank you, Bill. I too, am a little confused. Perhaps Don can climb down from his lofty perch and explain to us the errors of my way.

[Don Kaas]

My only concern was that all the facts were in before we castigated the new owners (who in fact may deserve castigation). When the dog police come unannounced and take your dogs-they take them then and there, alternatives might not be possible. I apologetically remove the 'self righteous" adjective, it was undeserved. We all feel sorry for 8 and 9 year old setter sent to the canine equivalent of the glue factory. You set very high standards. The world would be a better place if we could all live up to them.

Mr. Bolyard- Thomas Jefferson never said the quote about "big government". It was, in fact, Gerald Ford.

[Bruce Day]

Later, Jay. He's probably out peasant shooting now.

[Bill Bolyard]

Thanks Don,

I copied the quote from a Jefferson Site, I should have checked it out before I used it. I am not surprised it came from a fellow Michigander. Its time I changed the quote anyway, thanks again.

Mr. Bolyard

[Bill Murphy]

Animal rights activists versus puppy mill operators. Sounds like Michael Vick's dream sport. Will they allow spurs? If the state of Pennsylvania wants to whip Decoverly into shape, make them raise Wirehairs.

[Jack Cronkhite]

Another link (http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1632548&fpart=2) on this topic. Hope it resolves well. Passing along to Shotgunworld.com forums next.
Jack

[Bruce Day]

The "lets kill all the lawyers" is a wonderful quote spoken by Falstaff, the buffoon and lovable fool of the play. He appears in several Shakespeare plays as the overweight and say anything that comes to mind everyman character.

However, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and that Iran Abajanian ( whatever his name) think its a pretty good idea and acted upon it.

[Bill Bolyard]

The "lets kill all the lawyers" is a wonderful quote spoken by Falstaff, the buffoon and lovable fool of the play. He appears in several Shakespeare plays as the overweight and say anything that comes to mind everyman character.

However, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and that Iran Abajanian ( whatever his name) think its a pretty good idea and acted upon it.

Esquire,

Don't forget the one who started it all and took the quote to heart, Chairman Mao

[Bruce Day]

I didn't know Mao started it followed by Hitler and Stalin. Its not something I would know out here on the plains.

[Bill Bolyard]

Bruce,

I guess you must not like Shakespeare, How about Groucho?

[Richard Flanders]

I have an excellent book on the history of the American revolutionary war that has some statements in it that originated at the time of the revolution stating that one of the main problems the new nation had was "too many lawyers". I got a good laugh when I read that. Some would day that "some things never change".

[Jay Gardner]

Decoverly responds to what has beeen posted on the web. http://www.decoverlykennels.com/blog/

[calvin humburg]

Bruce,
Would't call K. C. the plains. Plays??? don't know but I think I would put them right with watching sports on sat. or sun. good day ch

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I dunno Calvin, ol' Willie Shakespeare had a few good lines in his day. *wink*

Destry

[calvin humburg]

Destry,
Will I won't spout my mouth with out giving it a try. Which one should I watch. ch

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I think my favorite is Henry V, there's a good movie adaptation of it that stars Kenneth Branagh. You can probably get it at any video store. Make sure you get the one with Branagh in it, he plays a great King Henry.

Destry

[calvin humburg]

Thanx, will do. ch

[Lee St.Clair]

:corn:

[Fred Preston]

From Markethunter to Falstaff; no great stretch. For me, Falstaff was a common brew; right up there with PBR.

[Jay Gardner]

From Markethunter to Falstaff; no great stretch. For me, Falstaff was a common brew; right up there with PBR.

Fred,

FYI: PBR is making a big comeback. Often the brew of choice among the cool college crowd. It cracks me up to see it being offered in upscale restaurants and bars in SE Michigan. Is Falstaff even brewed anymore?

Now, if they would just bring back Black Label.:p

[C Roger Giles]

Fred;

Right on about PBR. If you ever invite Destry to a turtle soup supper he will find PBR somewhere to add to the repast. BTW if he repeats the PBR on the next invite he will suffer no supper.

I much prefer the smelly hat over PBR.

This for Jay;
Keep in mind that the PBR college crowd are still in the learning process.

Roger

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Boys,

I've been drinking Pabst since I needed a rubber nipple put on the bottle. It's nice that the Yuppie College Crowd have all started drinking it, just makes it all the more available in bars that wouldn't otherwise carry it.

Jay,

You can still buy Black Label in Canada oddly enough, though I usually go for Old Vienna when I'm over there.


Roger,

Have you got any squirrels on stash? I've got two nice young greys that I could add to the skillet if you do. I killed them down at home a few months back and have been saving them for just such an occasion. Lets have a feed.

I thought of you the other evening while I was drinking a cool PBR watching BB King and Buddy Guy at the Fox Theater in Detroit. A fine beer for just such an occasion if there ever was one.


Regards,
Fall Stiff aka Capt Bogardus aka Cletus M. Johnson

[calvin humburg]

I was up north visiting my wifes kin in WI. years back I got to suckin down Old Style. ch
don't have it over here.

[Lee St.Clair]

Squirrel is good. Turtle(roasted) is better. Muskrat's good if cooked right(if not is nasty). Smoked carp....mmmmm. Walleye cheeks are best. Need them all for a good game feed. Smiles.

[Jay Gardner]

Love squirrel. I have taken to hunting them with a .36 cal flintlock. Now, my dad and grandmother would always argue over the heads. Mom used to fry them with the rest of the squirrel. I never could bring myself to eat brains, but...

[Richard Flanders]

For anyone who hasn't tried it, armadillo roasted in the shell is as good as it gets...

[Dean Romig]

Bluefish heads are great. The "tenderloins" in the top of the head and the cheeks are fabulous. Field mouse isn't bad either but they don't have a lot to offer. It would probably take more than two-dozen to make a decent meal for one person.

We were burning a brush-pile when the dog caught a field mouse that was trying to escape the heat. After allowing the dog to worry the poor little beast for a while I rescued it from certain death only to have it die in my hand.... so I roasted it over the fire and ate it - not bad at all... sweet, tender dark meat for what there was of it.

[C Roger Giles]

Destry;

My squirrel season netted me one (1) fuzzy butt. I guess I have lost my ability to hunt squirrel. I'll try to find some turtle as I have perfected my soup de turtle, cloned that of the Rockwell Springs Club. Muskrat is mighty good also. My prefered way is to fix rat is to stew it in creamed corn as in Brest Bay style and serve over mashed potatoes.

I'm getting hungary because of this food conversation plus it is time to serve FG.

BTW Destry the Boo Whap gun is up for grab's

Rog

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I've eaten squirrel heads just out of curiosity, but didn't find them to be very good really. The old timers at home raved about them though, the jowl meat, the brain, and even the eyes were delicious tidbits to them. The cheeks and other head meat off catfish was also something they'd spend hours digging out.

I'll agree that muskrat is pretty good if cooked right, and beaver is about the same, maybe even a little better. Turtle is the king, if you can get it tender, that's the real trick. Always wanted to try softshell turtle but have never had the opportunity, we'd see them down at home but never got around one big enough to eat.

Squirrels are my favorite wild game though, even above duck or quail.


Destry

[Bill Murphy]

Down here on the Eastern Shore, muskrat meats once sold in the country stores for a dollar. I never took advantage because there were always Oysters for sale at the same time. Now we don't see the rats for sale, at least publicly. I don't know much about squirrels. You'll have to ask The Lovely Linda. She knows quite a bit about squirrels and skinning and eating them. I'm a little unsure about the eating part.

[Jack Cronkhite]

All these protein sources reminded me of a great thread on shotgunworld.com. A contributor there inherited his grandmother's recipe box and has been adding recipes from time to time. It is depression era stuff and any source of protein was "fair game". For those who enjoy making a good meal or have a good friend to make it, enjoy GRANDMA'S RECIPE BOX (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=134801)
Mmmmmmmmm..........

[Lee St.Clair]

Have several cousins who muskrat trap and turtle trap...so if anyone is interested...can get both for you. Last I paid for turtle it was not cheap. Walleye cheeks I can get too, in the spring. Let me know. Can ship in styrofoam and dry ice. Blessings, Lee