IMR 700-X Question

[Matt Valinsky]

With the powder situation the way it is I'm out of Green Dot and can't find any. I can get IMR 700-X. Looking up load info for it I found a load for 1 oz. shot using all the components I used in my Green Dot load. The 700-X load will make 7,500psi at 1100fps. That's 500psi higher and 50fps slower than my Green Dot Load. I want to keep shooting my Twist and Damascus guns so my question is. The 700-X is a faster burning powder than Green Dot, does that mean the pressure will spike faster than the Green Dot?

Is this something to be concerned with????? Or, is the 700-X okay? I'm Still learning about reloading so any info is appreciated.

Thanks

[scott kittredge]

that is all I shoot. yes burns faster. I shoot 15 grs with 7/8 ths oz at 1100fps at around 5500 to 6000 psi and works just fine.

[Daryl Corona]

Matt;
Check out www.hodgdonreloading.com. Tons of 700x recipes. Try a 7/8oz. load. You and your old Parker will love them. BTW, nice meeting you and shooting with you at Hausmann's.

[John Campbell]

If you can find a 3/4 oz. load try that as well. In fact Hodgdon lists 13 of them for 700-X. Looks like about 14.5 grs. would work fine.

[Jeff Christie]

I had excellent results with 700X (old DuPont) in 1 oz and 7/8th oz at trap. Light to almost no recoil and crushes the target (out of a SC SBT). When I get done w/ the Red Dot I'm using now I'll return to the newer version of 700X. It's cheaper to buy shells but I'd rather load my own. Besides it is something to do in the depths of an Iowa winter.

[Matt Valinsky]

Dayrl, It was nice meeting and shooting with you and thanks for the tips on breaking those targets. Also, thanks for the link.

[Matt Valinsky]

All, I appreciate the info provided on the 700-X. I need to get a couple powder bushings for my Mec and weight the drops and I'll be ready to stuff some hulls. This powder shortage is for the birds..........

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Darn, wish I'd seen this post earlier. Local store had a 4lber of 700X, but i had never used it. After I saw the posts I called, and you guessed it, it had just walked out the door. I did pick up a few pounds of WAA Lite--at a high price,to use in my 12's, but happy to get it! I can save my other powder for my 16's and 20's. I am going to start buying whatever powder I can find, and worry about how I'm going to use it later.
BTW, Matt it was good to meet and shoot with you at Hausmann's, hope you make it back next year.

[Matt Valinsky]

Harold, I was able to get a 8 pound keg of 700-X, just need to get a couple powder bushings I don't already have to check the weights on the powder drops. I need to find some 20/28 for my 16ga.'s, that is like finding hen's teeth. Last week got my new to me 16 and had a handful of shells to run thru her...... bid tease it was.

Great meeting and shooting with you and the guy's from Michigan. Heck, COB isn't as nasty as he thinks he is.

[Dave Suponski]

Yes he is Matt...:)

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Matt, what is this new 16 ga ?
I use 20/28 alot in the black RGL 16 shells, got the load froM Daryl. Dont let the the word out about COB, he has an image to uphold.

[Paul Harm]

I load 16.7grs of 700X with 3/4oz of shot. I've used it off and on for over 40years. Last I checked a box of shells cost me 3.54 to reload, but that's buying from Dawsons at dealer cost.

[Harry Collins]

800X is my low pressure 1 1/8oz load for 12 gauge. As I recall I slow down my loading just a tad because of the flake powder.

Harry

[Dave Suponski]

Harold, You use 20/28 in the black Remington games load hulls? How many grains do you use? Also do you know the PSI you are pushing?

[Matt Valinsky]

Dave, I load the RGL hulls Also. This is the recipe I use for a tested load. Win. 209 primer, DR16 wad, 7/8oz. shot and 15.5gr. of 20/28 powder, 6 fold crimp. Makes 1105 FPS at 5760PSI.

Hope that helps, Harold's recipe may be different, This came from the 16ga. forum and is a tested recipe.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Nope, that is exactly the load I use in the RGL's. Works great, and it is my grouse/woodcock load also.
RGL/ w209/ DR16/ 20/28 15.5 gr 1105fps and under 6000psi

[Daryl Corona]

OP;
Drop 1/8oz. and load 3/4oz. with 15.5gr. 20/28 with the DR16 wad and you'll get up to 1145fps in the RGL hull. You'll love it.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

You certainly cant argue with Daryl"s ability to crush targets with that load. I think that if I mixed up a bunch of 3/4 and 7/8 oz loads, I couldn't tell the difference, I'm going to seriously try the 3/4 load next time I load.

[Matt Valinsky]

Daryl, Do you use an over shot card to help the crimp with the 3/4 oz. load?

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Good question Matt, I often drop in a cheerio.
Another good reason to load 3/4 oz---Cabelas asking $54 for a bag of shot today, went to local mom & pop store and bought 7.5 and 8.5's for $44..
Thinking about selling all my old doubles and buying a Mossberg pump that can shoot anything.

[Paul Harm]

I use the CB-0175 wad for 3/4oz and don't use an overshot card. The 700 and 800 is a flake powder and will want to vary a little bit if you go too fast [ with the hole in the charge bar under the powder bottle ]. At one time I was trying to load 28ga shells with 800X on a progressive press and was all over the place with powder drops. Called Mec and was told with such a small drop to not use a 650 but to use a single stage press. He said the bar doesn't stay under the powder bottle long enough for consistent drops. Used it anyways but I would pull the handle down, hold it, and rap the bottle with the other hand. Was ok then, but went to a different powder next chance I had. The pistol shooters at the club were trying 700x but found their drops were changing 2 or 3 tenths. No big deal for shotgun, but not for pistol.

[Daryl Corona]

Daryl, Do you use an over shot card to help the crimp with the 3/4 oz. load?

Matt;
No overshot card or breakfast cereal. Use the DR16 wad in the RGL hull and you'll get perfect crimps. 20/28 powder is a fairly dense powder and fills the hull nicely. I, unlike Harold, can feel the difference between 3/4 and 7/8oz. loads. The 7/8oz. load is not uncomfortable but the 3/4oz. is so pleasant to shoot and breaks targets as well as the 7/8oz. load plus I'm saving money. A win-win the way I look at it.

[scott kittredge]

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[Dave Suponski]

Thanks guy's Do you have any 20/28 loads with 1 oz.?

[Daryl Corona]

Not really Dave. 20/28 seems to shine with 3/4-7/8oz. loads. I'm going to try to send you a spreadsheet on what loads I have and you can look for what you want. I'll send it to your personal e-mail.

[Dave Suponski]

Thanks Daryl...:)

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Daryl, I can feel the difference between the 3/4 and 7/8 loads. It is just my brain that i have to convince. With the prices of lead at $54/bag at Cabelas yesterday, I will be switching to 3/4 oz. I have 250 2 1/2" cheddites to load up and they will be 3/4.
Wish I could use the 20/28 for the cheddites, but cant find a low pressure load for them with 20/28. I do however have International, Universal, and 7625 and there are good low pressure loads listed with those powders,
Hey, has anyone else noticed how much Daryl looks like the late, great Jim Croce--especially with his cigar?

[Paul Harm]

I believe all the foreign shells are straight walled, same as a Federal. If there's data for a Federal, it'll work in a Cheddite.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Thanks Paul, thats what I thought I had read somewhere. With the light loads I am using, I didnt think it was a problem anyway.

[Gary Laudermilch]

Harold,

You need to look around for a better price on shot. I know of three different shops that are charging $39 - $38 if you buy 10 or more. Cabelas price is certainly ridiculous.

[Matt Valinsky]

Talk about being being in the right place at the right time. Stopped at Sportsmen Den in Shelby Ohio today and was able to buy 2 8lb kegs of Green Dot. They also had 8lb'ers of Red Dot, Promo and several others. No 20/28.

The green Dot should keep me going for awhile............