Short 10 recipes

[Mike Franzen]

I have a grade 2 10 ga that I would like to develop duck/goose loads for. I would like to use the components I have on hand: 2 7/8 brass hulls, nitro, fiber and overshot wads, PB powder. I will probably buy bismuth shot in BB or 2 shot size. Does it look like this can work?

[scott kittredge]

Yes, no problem, good luck

[Mike Franzen]

I need some guidance of how much powder and shot to use.

[scott kittredge]

I need some guidance of how much powder and shot to use.

look under post "10 ga waterfowl loads" post 13 #(upper right corner of post) posted on 3/31/2014, there is a load there. if you look around on "loading the short 10" post you will lots more loads, scott

[Mike Franzen]

Thanks Scott. I saw that earlier. I'm wondering if anyone has a recipe using PB. I load PB in my 12 ga plastic hulls for trap or SC. I'm trying to get info on loading it in brass hulls and using bb or #1 bismuth shot.

[Paul Harm]

Hope you have more luck than I did trying to load nitro in brass hulls. Never could get enough pressure. Could you report back what works for you ? Thanks, Paul.

[Mike Franzen]

Yes Paul I'll be glad to. Could you tell me how you measured pressure? Did you have a gauge or meter or were you going by felt recoil?

[CraigThompson]

You may be better to buy another powder as PB is being phased out this year .

[Paul Harm]

Everything I tried was a " blooper ". That was in 12ga brass hulls and PB. Got up to 32grs and stopped trying.

[Paul Harm]

BPI has a cheap handbook on loading the brass cases - don't know if it's any good or not. I believe Hodgdons bought IMR and will continue to manufacture all their powders.

[wayne goerres]

I have that book and I don't remember it mentioning any smokeless loads for brass hulls but I will dig it out and look again. I would have to agree with paul. Don't know of any smokeless loads for brass cases.

[charlie cleveland]

if a brass hull shotgun shell has the 209 or old 57 primer it can be shot without bloopers with smokeless powder such as blue dot or red dot..the key to no bloopers is putting pressure on the top wad while hot glueing it in and holding the pressure till glue dries which is not but a few secounds.. i use to get a lot of bloopers till i tried just what i said. charlie

[Mike Franzen]

Thanks Charlie. The brass hulls I have use large pistol primers. Do you think that would make any difference?

[Pete Lester]

Charlie, do you shoot that 19gr of Red Dot 1 1/8 load in a brass 10ga hull too?

[wayne goerres]

Mike If you want some loads using triple 7 in brass shells this book list a few. There isn't much smoke and a lot less fowling. This book list several of them.

[charlie cleveland]

yes i have shot the 19 grain of red dot out of the brass case no issues just remember to keep pressure on the top wad while glue is drying dont take but a jiff to harden.. yes the big pistol primers will do fine... ya ll let me know what you think...charlie

[wayne goerres]

Just curious charlie but witch wads did you use. Plastic shot wads or the fiber wads and over powder cards.

[charlie cleveland]

i used the cards first but i have used the plastic with good results...charlie

[Bill Murphy]

When loading brass, I would assume that some wads do not seal well, especially some plastic wads. I believe Paul is getting bloopers because he is using too slow a powder, too small a wad, and/or too little shot to keep pressure up. If you want to shoot light shot loads like 7/8 ounce in a 12 gauge, you don't use slow powders. The 19 grain Red Dot load under 1 1/8 ounces in a ten gauge would seem like a well balanced low pressure load. In the days of fiber wads and paper hulls, the standard 12 gauge 1200 fps target load was 23 grains of Red Dot under 1 1/8 ounces of shot. 19 grains of Red Dot in a ten gauge wouldn't blow up any gun I know of, and it should generate enough pressure to avoid bloopers, at least in warm weather. In fact, Red Dot would be my choice in eight gauge loads for casual shooting. All the recommended eight gauge loads we see published with boutique powders are unneccesary unless you are loading heavy shot loads for extreme range waterfowling. For 1 1/4 ounce eight gauge loads for bird hunting or clay targets, Red Dot is all you need.

[wayne goerres]

Bill if you don't mind would you post the complete red dot load for your 8ga.

[Bill Murphy]

I can't really do that comfortably. However, I would be very confident that 23 to 25 grains of Red Dot under a card and filler wad and 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 ounces of lead shot would be a fairly low pressure and safe load, that would be reliable for ignition. If the plastic wad were used and it fit fairly tight in the shell, I would stick to about 21 or 22 grains of Red Dot.

[wayne goerres]

Thanks Bill. With all the shortages lately one has to look for alternatives. I have both rem and win hulls available. The only primers I have are win 209. How would these work out with 22 or 21grs of red dot. I have been using blue Dot.

[charlie cleveland]

thell work fine wayne no problem that old 8 ga will like the red dot....charlie

[wayne goerres]

Thanks Charlie. I will give it a try when I run out of Blue dot.

[Bill Murphy]

Red Dot and Blue Dot are about as far a part on the burning rate chart as two powders can be. Blue Dot with 1 1/8 ounces of shot in an eight gauge may barely ignite. Red Dot is much more proper for light shot loads in a big hole.

[wayne goerres]

My Blue Dot loads are 1 3/4oz loads Bill. 1 3/4 oz no 4 shot. 42.8grains blue dot. rem 8ga wad win 209 primer. Over shot card and roll crimp. Oh and win cases.

[Bill Murphy]

Blue Dot is proper for the load you mention. Red Dot is not.

[Paul Harm]

Bill, I was trying 30grs of PB and TIGHT paper wads with 1oz of shot when I gave up. Because the brass shells are so thin I don't believe plastic wads will work - be too loose. This was in a 12ga brass Magtech shells.

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, you have to fit the wads to the shell. 150 year old reloading technology. Don't need micrometers, only eyes and hands.