Ithaca Mag 10

[Eldon Goddard]

I have been looking for a 10 gauge side by side and came across this Thursday night. I went and picked it up. I did not really need to buy another gun this year but I could not pass this one up. It is in good mechanical condition and the wood shows some good honest wear. The only bad parts are a mismatched forearm( I think it is from a super 10) and the stock is a little loose my guess wood be shrinkage due to our dry weather. 32'' barrels chambered for 3 1/2'' and extractors. 10lbs 6oz. It is a field grade. How much do you think the mismatched forearm effects value? If I could find the original that would be something.

[Eldon Goddard]

I forgot to attach pictures.

[charlie cleveland]

lucky you...i ve been wanting one of those guns for a long time theres not many of them out there...i ve got my eye on a beligum made 10 double 3 1/2.....charlie

[Eldon Goddard]

Charlie I knew when I saw it for sale I could not let it go. Even know I should not be buying anymore guns right now.

[Dave Noreen]

Wow, a Magnum-Ten with a butt plate!! I've got a No. 2 Super-Ten with a butt plate, but don't believe I've ever seen an Ithaca NID Magnum-Ten without a recoil pad. Pretty nice piece of wood for a Field Grade!! Congrats!!

[David Lien]

Good For You... What is the Serial Number of that gun??? I Have both forearms in my hands now. I think that your forearm is correct as the Super 10 has a different latch, also the engraving on your forearm matches the magnum forearms that I have... However my suppers are all graded guns, and the Mags are all Field grade guns. The gun was built for big loads, even the supers will shoot heavy loads. :)
David

[Dean Romig]

I have seen a lot of Ithaca's with slightly loose stocks.

[Eldon Goddard]

Thanks for the information guys. It was bought by a gentlemen who has used it to hunt wildfowl for 20 years and he bought it from a guy who did the same so it has been out almost every season for the past 40 years. He said he was tired of carrying to the blind so he wanted to sell it. The gun is serial number 500838 the forearm is 467000 range that is why I thought it might be from a super 10. Mr. Romig do you know why the stocks have this problem?

[David Lien]

Serial Number would make your forearm from a Supper Ten... It is a very late gun. I have #500909 and it has a snap on forearm, with extractors where all other Magnum guns that I have are ejectors with a latch forearm.
David

[Patrick Lien]

I have seen a lot of Ithaca's with slightly loose stocks.


I have owned several Ithaca NID 10ga guns in super 10 and magnum and I have never encountered a loose gun. I would consider these guns the benchmark for American 10 gauge SxS guns in both short and long chamber guns. I have shot them both for all of my short life and I know a few goose hunters that have 50+ years on a single gun. I don't think one human can wear an Ithaca NID 10ga out. The rotary bolt can wear with time but you cannot find a better 10ga in my opinion. The short 10 Ithaca is a favorite of mine and is a very affordable 10ga. gun. If you find a good one then buy it!

Patrick

[Dean Romig]

Probably a combination of things - dry conditions as suggested; the way the stock is attached to the frame; oil soaked stock head....

[David Lien]

Eldon
I always glass bed the stock head on all Ithaca Mag or Supper tens... I never have any problems... It is a good idea to do so on all old doubles that a person plans to shoot. ((My opinion))
David

[Mark Ouellette]

I recently acquired a NID 10 Magnum and it is now at Bachelders' home for wayward doubles. At first I thought that the stock was loose but closer inspection revealed that the stock was tight. The cause of the wobble was side to side movement of the barrels on the action. Brad informed me that in his experience this is fairly common for this gun.

Oh, my NID 10 magnum has the single trigger with selector in the safety!

Mark

[David Lien]

Mark
NID # 500322 is a factory 28" gun with a unmarked Miller non selective trigger. I have shot this gun for a number of years, with out a hiccup ever. The ejectors and those big long cases still work as new. However another NID 32 " gun sports a .005 shim on the hinge pin. As per Bachelders Statement. I wonder if the long heavy barrels may have an effect on the hinge pin???

Mark When pattering old NID Ithaca 10, I still place A Salt Lake City Phone book in the middle of the pattern board in hopes of measuring pellet penetration, by counting the pages that the pellet traveled through...:)
David

[Richard Flanders]

So, how about some pictures of all these Ithaca 10's???

[Bill Murphy]

The mismatched forend on the gun in question could be from an Ithaca other than a Super Ten. I have not measured a 12 against a Super 10, but I bet the forearms are identical. By the way, I also have a high condition Mag Ten with buttplate. They didn't make many that way, but they made a few. My AYA lightweight Matador ten was a buttplate gun, shot it for years, and I never really missed a recoil pad. Dave Lien, my non ejector Mag Ten has a latch forend. I wonder if the serial number range determines whether a latch was used on non ejector guns?

[David Lien]

Bill
Eldons gun is avery late gun, I guess after ww11 and most likely made up from parts on hand. Maybe some one lost the forearm, and this was the only replacement. 40 years ago Lefever arms (repair Shop) located at Lee Center NY. was replacing ten Ga. rotary bolts with NOS bolts.They told me then that they had bought all the remaining parts for the NID tens from Ithaca.
Ithaca made less than one thousand guns in the 500,000 ser. Number range and some of them were 12 Ga. guns.
David

[Brian Dudley]

The tang screws loosening up can cause an up and down movement in the stock head. Specifically the rear one.
If you find that tightening the screws takes care of it, then you know that is the issue or kind of the issue.
I say kind of because you also have to look at if the screws are correctly timed. Take the rear tang screw for example. Is the end of it finished flush with the upper tang? Or is it sunk down in below the level of the tang. If it is sunk down in, then it is loose for sure. But... If the screw is flush, and tightening it more (so that it sticks up above the tang) also tightens up the stock, then you know the issue is wood related as suggested above.
A way to remedy this situation could be to put some cards rock shims under the trigger plate tang or upper tang at the rear. This will allow you to tighten the screw more for a snug fit, yet not have the screw stick up above the tang.

[Eldon Goddard]

Brian
The screws are down past where they should be so the wood is definitely loose.

The forearm is 467307 so if any of you have this gun maybe you have my forearm.

Brian I have a fix for the problems expect a delivery in about a month. After all I have to at least test fire it first.

[Pete Lester]

The short 10 Ithaca is a favorite of mine and is a very affordable 10ga. gun. If you find a good one then buy it! Patrick

I recall reading in the description of a Super 10 for sale by Julia's a couple of years ago that the total production for Super 10's in all grades was under 600 guns, 567 or something like that. Is that correct, were fewer Super 10's made than NID 10ga Magnums?

[Frank Srebro]

Ithaca NID 467307 dates to way after the NID Super 10 was discontinued. I think it's likely a 12 gauge forend and was fitted to Eldon's gun.

There were only about 580 Super 10's made. Walter Snyder was very kind to do a count for me. Walter told me the factory records may have missed one or two. That makes them far more scarce than Ithaca Magnum 10's and, for those interested, than 12 gauge Super-Foxes (about 946 guns).

[charlie cleveland]

can you give me a up date on the super 10 i dont know much about them..were they made for heavy loads better chokes...charlie

[David Lien]

Frank
Thank you for the information on the number of Super tens. I did not know that they were so few... We have had a few, and as of late we have sold a couple.

Can you tell me how many of the Super tens were graded guns???
I did enjoy the article in the recent Double Gun Journal..
David

[Frank Srebro]

David, yeah I know you gents are Super 10 advocates. Walter doesn't have a count on the graded Super 10's. I'd estimate maybe 10-15% just extrapolating from the guns I've seen since I started actively looking for Super 10's about 8 years ago.

Charlie the info is too long to summarize and much of it is in Part 2 of the Double Gun Journal article that will be in its Summer edition, thus it isn't fair to the publishers to do it here. Part 1 is in the Spring 2014 edition that was released last month. Short answer is: they were made for the heaviest 2-7/8" loads and most of the Super 10's had very heavy choking.

Frank

[scott kittredge]

I have a grade 2E choked .042 and .043, shoots nice and tight. :)

[Pete Lester]

Some discussion here on the Super Ten and people reporting constrictions of .055 and .056.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=80512&PHPSESSID=917bfe9791ae4229de6172d7d6ab57c4

[Frank Srebro]

Just my experience but many bore mikes will drift and read off when trying to read 10-gauge bores and chokes without calibrating separately for bore and also for choke.

[Patrick Lien]

Here are some pics of a Grade 2 magnum I had. It was a late gun with 32" barrels and extra full chokes. It weighed 12+ pounds. I took it to Vegas one year and swapped it for a Parker 20 that weighed half as much.:)

Patrick

[Patrick Lien]

Just my experience but many bore mikes will drift and read off when trying to read 10-gauge bores and chokes without calibrating separately for bore and also for choke.


I agree Frank. I was having a heck of a time measuring 10ga bores. So I called skeets and had him build me an oversized gauge for measuring these guns.

Patrick

[charlie cleveland]

from what i read here the super fox and the magnum gun both have lots of choke...sounds like they would make a really good long range turkey gun too me..i hope to own a mag ten some day...charlie

[Allen Peterson]

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10 I was going to convert to an 8 before I got the big Enos James hammer Gun

[chris dawe]

This is a great thread guys ,I picked up a super ten a couple years ago as a restoration candidate ,no finish ,no wood ...shes close to done :whistle:

[Dave Noreen]

No. 2 Super-Ten 32-inch marked 4 & 4 shipped to R.O. Senff started 4/7/31 and shipped 12/31/31.

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Bores in the .789 - .790" range, .053" choke right, but apparently the left has been opened as it only has .027" choke.

[charlie cleveland]

those are mighty nice guns pictured.the mag ten and the 8 bore are very impressive the other guns are just as nice but them bigger guns always appealed to me...need a 4 bore on the rack to go with the 8...aint got no ithaca ten at the moment but hope someday to own one...charlie

[Eldon Goddard]

Went and shot the 10 ga mag today. First shot and I was hooked. Luckily I had a box of 10 ga 3 1/2'' 2 lead. It really smokes those clay pigeons just a cloud of orange dust left.

[charlie cleveland]

i bet those clay piegons thought a bolt of lightening had struck them..i have followed the path of this legendary guns since the day elmer kieth wrote about them..those guns have made legends in the water fowl world..your a lucky fellow to own one of these fine guns..ever git tired of it just ship it off to ole miss.... charlie

[Eldon Goddard]

Charlie you are first on the list if I have get rid of it say have because I doubt I will ever want to. Ill keep my eye out for you Charlie there has to be another one for sale around here somewhere.

[charlie cleveland]

thanks for the lookout..these old ithacas arewhat dreams are for..looks like your dream come true..i have seen a few of these old ithaca s for sale but was broke each time one has been for sale maybe one dayi ll have a little in the pocket when one comes up for sale...charlie

[John Gardner]

Congrats on your new gun Eldon! Glad to hear she shoots good.
Cheers JG

[Frank Srebro]

Just back from the Southern where I picked up 6 boxes of these NOS Remingtons at a really good price. Ready for our spring turkeys just as soon as I get a chance. I do load for the short ten but these are ready to go in one of my NID Ithaca Super 10's. 4-3/4 DE with 1-5/8 oz. of bare 4's. Sometimes the goodies you pick up cheaply at shoots like the Southern go a long way toward paying for the trip expenses. This is one of them. :)

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Incidentally I had the chance to look at three (count em 3) Ithaca Double Magnums for sale while at the Southern. One was I believe a Grade 2 Magnum 3-1/2" 10 ga and the other two were Grade 4 12's built on the Ithaca Magnum frame with its extra lug. One of the 12's was a 3-inch screamer in hunting configuration with 30-inch barrels, a splinter forend and double triggers. The other 12 was believe-it-or-not a 2-3/4" chambered/stamped vent-rib gun with 32-inch barrels, a trap style monte carlo stock and single trigger. What are the chances of seeing three graded Ithaca Magnums in the same place on the same day? And especially, two of the ultra rare 12 bores on the Ithaca Magnum frame? Walt Snyder was there too and we were both pretty excited about them.

[charlie cleveland]

man looks like you have enough lead 4 s to last you a long time hunting turkeys...i ve always liked those green remington shells to me were the best ever made i have a few boxes myself this was truly a good find..whatwas the price of the big 10 ga ithaca if you remember....charlie

[Frank Srebro]

Charlie, I picked up the Grade 2 Magnum 10 to heft it, comparing to my Super 10's. Sorry I didn't check its price. Check your PM's for a personal note.

[Eldon Goddard]

Frank that sounds like a lot of fun. I would have liked to see those 12s on the 10 ga magnum frame. Really like those shells. Your article is getting me to wanting a super 10 now.

[Milton Starr]

Eldon From what I seen Ithaca hammerless 10s are pretty pricey . Theres a ithaca grade 4 10ga for sale and its like 3999$ . Also theres a nice flues at pugs that's been restored and they just reduced the price .

[Eldon Goddard]

Milton I paid a 1000 bucks for mine but it does have some problems. The fore end is messed up and the buttstock is loose. I do not know if I got a good deal but I was not about to pass it up. Hard to find one.

[Milton Starr]

Hows the bores ? MY Bonehill is a ugly ducking it has a rough outward appearance but the bores and nice and shiny ! . IF you got good barrels then nothing is impossible . I paid 1000 for my Ec Green I just got and it has nice wood and metal . but bores could use some polishing . Nothing That Brad B cant work his magic on . I almost bought a Ithaca lewis 10 ga when I was 17 but decided against it . looking back I should got it it was in pretty great condition and it was 1500$ . I know its hard but when you see a hard to find 10ga double my moto is get it ! if you can swing it of course . Theres a flues 10 ga on gunbrker now for 800$ but the barrels are blued and looks to have a home made forend .

[Eldon Goddard]

The bores are beautiful some of the cleanest barrels I have seen. I do not know if they have been honed as I do not have anything to measure them, but I am think they are untouched.

[Milton Starr]

If it wasn't ever shot with bp then the bores should look good like you say , From what ive read it was shooters not cleaning their barrels after shooting bp that causes pitting . Congrats on the new 10 bore .

[Rick Losey]

black powder residue is hygroscopic and is not good for a bore, and causes rust if left for too long, but I think it gets a bad rap.

Pitting in barrels continued long after smokeless was the norm, much of the pitting we see can be blamed on corrosive primers that left salt compounds in the barrel that were more difficult to remove, and much more dangerous to metal.

[Dave Noreen]

The Western Cartridge Co. Super-X 3 1/2 inch Magnum-Ten cartridge was introduced shortly after the introduction of non-corrosive priming in North American shotgun shells. Our manufacturers all introduced non-corrosive priming in their .410-bore shells in 1930, and in the larger bores in 1931.

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[charlie cleveland]

i really like theseold shotgun ads thanks for showing...charlie