Off face problem

[Virginia Hessler]

Hi
I have been working on this project gun for a while now. I put a set of VH barrels on a DH, the face was loose so I epoxied a .004 shim onto the lug. I was very proud of my smoking and fitting the barrels, they came out nice and tight.

I just finished my tenth round of skeet with the gun and broke it down to clean it, the shim is gone !! Barrels off face again a complete waste of time. I deserve it for putting my faith in glue. :banghead:

I am looking for advice on fixing it right. Can anyone tell me what actually wears, the hinge pin or the barrel lug ?

I hesitate to remove the pin for fear of buggering up the screw slot, but I will if that's the worn part. I was thinking take out the pin and either replace it or weld up the worn area and dress it back down.

If it's the barrel lug the only thing I can think of is to put a few beads of weld in the crescent area and again file most of it out until I have what I need.

Any advice greatly appreciated, thank you, Tom

[Robin Lewis]

I am NOT a gun smith but I have been told that the way to fix it is to "spray weld" the lug and then file it to fit the pin. I understand the concept but wouldn't know how to begin that process. I do not think they want to get involved with the pin.

[Dean Romig]

Send the gun to a professional if you want it done right. You will never get it right by hand filing the radius in the hook on the barrel lug. A pro will do it correctly and he'll likely just work on the hook.

Don't attempt to remove the hinge pin. That is another job for a professional.

[Mark Ouellette]

Use Permatex Black Max as an adhesive. Shims will stay in place with Black Max. Then one can remove the shim easily them.

Cut a spare shim just in case...

Leave the welding and filing to a pro.

[Brian Dudley]

The wear can be on the barrel hook and the roll joint. However, typical work will be done to the barrel hook.
Swapping out the roll joint with another one, or a new one, can remedy things or get you back to a place where you can work the hook some without having to add material.

[paul stafford jr]

the best way is to weld the hook. then re-cut the hook on a mill. but I have also had good luck with soldering a steel shim to the hook. that will last for years. use a small torch to tint the hook with solder then clamp the shim in place with a piece of dowl rod ,re-apply heat and sweat the two together. or send the whole thing to batchelder.

[Jerry Harlow]

"I just finished my tenth round of skeet with the gun and broke it down to clean it, the shim is gone !! Barrels off face again a complete waste of time. I deserve it for putting my faith in glue. :banghead:"

Working on a Sterlingworth and my shim disappeared. Could not find it. Took action back off the gun and it was under my floor plate when I took the stock off. So shim did not vanish, look down in the action or it fell off onto the ground. You can just place the shim on the roll pin and place the barrels on top of it. Then when you disassemble, remember it is there. I use red automotive grease for hinge pin grease and the shim is usually stuck there.

Of course the only permanent way is to have the hook welded up. As stated a professional job.

[Virginia Hessler]

Thanks everyone for the responses.

With your advice I am mulling over my options. This gun is my home project it really has no value, that being said it will not go to a gun smith. If this was a real nice gun I agree that would be the way to go. Worse case scenario I throw it in the garbage, but I doubt it will come to that.
I like the solder idea but I can't solder steel, maybe I'll give it some more tries. My first choice would be silver solder, I'm pretty good at that but I feel the heat required would ruin the solder joints in the barrels.
I called around locally and can't find anyone to spray weld the lug. I'm pretty good with a stick welder but that can get ugly fast so I'll hold off on that for now.
Thanks again for the replies I'll figure something out, Tom

[Brad Bachelder]

Tom

The only good way to do a permanent fix is to Lazer weld the hook. never try to replace the pin. Lazer welding allows us to bond the hook with a hardened material. The process is so clean that it is visually undectable and it will never wear out.

Brad

[Dean Romig]

Tom, you may want to send Brad a PM to discuss what's involved and a $ estimate for his work.

[Brian Dudley]

On the subject of soldering, the amount of heat required to silver solder that much of a surface would compromise the rib joints and the finish on the barrels. If soldering is an option at all, a low temp solder would be used.

Never throw a gun in the garbage... Sell it for parts.

[wayne goerres]

Midway USA has a video on YouTube of Larry Porterfield doing exactly what you are wanting to do.

[Virginia Hessler]

Thanks guys
I got the shim idea from the u tube tape, Larry doesn't say how long his stayed on though.
He has two tapes one shows gluing the shim and the other shows Tig welding the lug. If I had a tig welder I would have already done it but those are a little pricey.
Seems like the lazer weld idea is a real good route but I must try everything within my ability first.
Tom

[KenMarburger]

TIG welders are now in the $250 range on Ebay now, including shipping. You'd still need a gas tank and probably a regulator, so the final set up cost should be less than $350. I'm eventually going to go that route..
Ken