RST & the Southern

[Daryl Middlebrook]

RST will not be selling shotshells at the Southern. They are not manufacturing shotshells at this time because they can not get powder.
Those of you planning to purchase RST shells at the Southern should make other arrangements.

[charlie cleveland]

this will really hurt in hunting and also in trap and skeet shooting. plus the rst people were of great value to the shooting community..seems like everything is going wrong in our once great land... charlie

[John Campbell]

..seems like everything is going wrong in our once great land... charlie

I could not agree more. Let us hope that this Fall brings more than another grand hunting season.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

wow, makes me want to go out and buy every pound of powder I can find that might be useful. I'm not liking this at all.

[Mills Morrison]

This is bad news for sure.

[Mills Morrison]

Where do we get shells now? Hope this is temporary only as I love buying from the folks at RST

[Rich Anderson]

RST has been hit by the componet shortage just like we all have been and in the scheme of things they are a small operation and probably don't get any consideration from suppliers.

[Mills Morrison]

Sounds like misguided gun control if you ask me. Folks like RST and us ought to be the poster child of responsible gun ownership, but obviously others don't feel that way

[John Dallas]

Call me paranoid, but does anyone else think that OUR government's buying up 15 badillion rounds of rifle ammunition might have something to do with component shortages?

[Mills Morrison]

Just because you are paranoid does not mean they aren't actually out to get you.

[William Davis]

B & P just shipped me two flats of comp ones, three day delivery. Guess the Italian government is not stocking up.

Bill

[Eric Grims]

This is news I was hoping would not come. They are a fine group to do business with and are essential to our sport. I wish them luck getting through this.
I am not seeing this problem go away soon. I am good for a few years but anticipate that I won't be able to reach for any gun I please once my cache starts to thin out. One doesn't get the real story but the big producers seem to view this as temporary and I hear little about expanding production capacity. The low pressure community is not necessarily a high priority as we watch such powders be discontinued.
Started the week with the RST news and again 4 below zero this AM. UGH. Just gotta keep movin'.

[Mills Morrison]

We need to march on Washington. As if they would listen . . .

This could easily be the workings of the big companies trying to edge out the small guys too.

[Richard B. Hoover]

RST is a great company. Wish I had bought more of their 10-ga shells earlier.

[Robin Lewis]

I was on their web site and it has shells in stock. They may not have enough for the Southern but they seem to have some to fill internet orders.

[John Campbell]

We need to march on Washington. As if they would listen . . .



Welcome to "Hope & Change." Oops. Hope that's not political.

[Daryl Corona]

Welcome to "Hope & Change." Oops. Hope that's not political.

No John, it's reality.

[Pete Lester]

Let's hope that by this time next year we will not be trading recipes for home made black powder.

[Mike Franzen]

What a shame.I looked forward to seeing them at the Southern and buying my hunting rounds from them.

[Mills Morrison]

I hope they are able to come even if they don't sell shells. It is a pleasure seeing them and they are the kind of people you want to do business with

[Gary Laudermilch]

I just heard yesterday from a clays shooting buddy of mine that Alliant has been sold. Supposedly the new owners are requiring purchasers of their product to buy 15,000 pounds at a clip where under previous ownership the minimum order was 5,000 pounds. That is quite a change and, if true, will most certainly hurt availability.

[Eric Grims]

I was dragging my feet on placing an RST order until this morning when I read this post. Figured I was too late but they shipped off three flats within a few hours. Whew.

[Bob Jurewicz]

RST has sufficient shells for normal direct orders but not enough to take trailer loads to the events and be profitable.
I ordered mine today as well. I originally planned to restock with my visit to the Southern.
Bob Jurewicz

[Brad Boyer]

That's the problem...Hoarding. When you hoard anything, it causes shortages and price increases...People need to step back and think..do you really need 25000 primers and 150 pounds of powder?? And shot at $42/25lb bag is ridiculous..

[Bob Jurewicz]

I was told Morris will probably attend.
Bob Jurewicz
I hope they are able to come even if they don't sell shells. It is a pleasure seeing them and they are the kind of people you want to do business with

[Mills Morrison]

That is good.

[John Dallas]

The spot price on the world market for lead has traded in a rather narrow range for the last several years.
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical_large.html

Price of shot is not following the spot price of lead. Any guesses why?

[Brad Boyer]

The spot price on the world market for lead has traded in a rather narrow range for the last several years.
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical_large.html

Price of shot is not following the spot price of lead. Any guesses why?

I would guess that the companies see a way to gouge the users.....Paranoia fits right into their game plan...

[Pete Lester]

The spot price on the world market for lead has traded in a rather narrow range for the last several years.
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical_large.html

Price of shot is not following the spot price of lead. Any guesses why?

According to that link lead was around .57 a pound 5 years ago and is now just over .93 a pound. That is a 63% increase, this means a 25lb bag of lead that sold for $28 5 years ago would be over $45 today. I'd say a bag of lead shot is tracking the price of lead pretty closely.

[Brad Boyer]

According to that link lead was around .57 a pound 5 years ago and is now just over .93 a pound. That is a 63% increase, this means a 25lb bag of lead that sold for $28 5 years ago would be over $45 today. I'd say a bag of lead shot is tracking the price of lead pretty closely.

Again....Supply and DEMAND...

[Brad Boyer]

Ive just called Alliant to see whats up?? Ive been using their powder for reloading my skeet loads now for a couple of years...Great product.. as good as Hodgdon and American made...They are now owned by a conglomerate out of Idaho....Representative on phone had not heard of them being sold....but promises to follow up...Will let you know... B

[paul stafford jr]

lead at my club has gone to 46.00 a bag, and we only have 7 1/2 and 8s ,no 9s ,is there a lead shortage also?

[Rich Anderson]

Hoarding is a natural act. People want what they can't have either through perception or reality. Does the Gvt really need billions of rounds of .22 ammo? They are the original hoarders but it's an end run to prevent the use of the guns they can't ban.

[Mark Ouellette]

Let me introduce you to the subject of logistics. It boils down to "plan for the worst, hope for the best".

My name is Mark and I am a hoarder... That stated, I never let a friend go without powder regardless of their lack of planning!

[Brad Boyer]

Hoarding is a natural act. People want what they can't have either through perception or reality. Does the Gvt really need billions of rounds of .22 ammo? They are the original hoarders but it's an end run to prevent the use of the guns they can't ban.

I think you and others are the issue.. I think you are paranoid......No offense intended but...yes that is the issue...the government buys billions of rounds of ammunition per year..for the Armed Forces....whats your point??

[Bill Murphy]

We are hoarders, but there are still plenty of Parkers out there. I don't know how to calculate the amount of shotgun ammo I'll need to keep me happy until I'm gone. I have friends that lived well into the nineties and they were still shooting. I plan to start shooting NSSA skeet again in a couple of years when I attain Veteran status. That is a neat concurrent group to shoot in. You don't have to run 100s in every gun, every shoot, to get a little recognition and win a dollar or two. The same situation exists in NSCA.

[Brad Boyer]

Alliant just called back...rep said ...they haven't been bought by anyone........He may not know the skinny.. but..........

[Pete Lester]

I think you and others are the issue.. I think you are paranoid......No offense intended but...yes that is the issue...the government buys billions of rounds of ammunition per year..for the Armed Forces....whats your point??

I am curious to know when has the supply chain of ammunition and reloading components, especially powder was this disrupted? I wasn't alive then but I am guessing you would have to go back to WWII. We have been through a lot as a nation since then; the threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union in the Cuban Missile Crisis, the assassination of a President, the country torn apart with riots and fires in the '60's, the gun control act of 1968, college students shot and killed and by National Guard, the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 1970's, the meltdown of nuclear power plants, the Gulf War and the torching of many of the worlds oil wells, 9/11 and two wars following, the financial meltdown of 2008 and so on. Only now we become so scared as a group we buy so much ammo and powder to disrupt the supply chain. We are that afraid of a politician and politics now? One store has told me ammunition sales are up by a factor of 10, so maybe we are but I too think there are other factors exacerbating the situation.

[Brad Boyer]

I think its imperative that every American use their OWN judgment and intelligence....Don't be swayed by the naysayers........"The Only Thing We Have to Fear... Is Fear Itself"......This is a critical time in American History......Remember the past....And learn from it...... Those aligned against the average American are mighty....and they have huge sums of money to spend to convince you that all is going to "hell in a hand basket"...Don't believe it

[Rick Losey]

..."The Only Thing We Have to Fear... Is Fear Itself"......


and of course the boogieman

Pat Paulson

[Brad Boyer]

Guess you believe in haints..

[Allen Peterson]

Poly-wad also has Vintager shotshells. they are good and the B&Ps are great ammo.

[Bill Zachow]

Just to add insult to injury, the lead shot and lead bullet situation will get worse, much worse. The last remaining domestic lead smelter, located in Missouri, will be closing. All domestic mined lead will then have to be sent off shore for smelting/refining. The owners of the smelter estimated it would cost $100,000,000 to comply with the newest EPA regulations. Did not make economic sense to continue the operation.

[charlie cleveland]

no powder no lead equal no bullets.. charlie

[Brian Stucker]

this will really hurt in hunting and also in trap and skeet shooting. plus the rst people were of great value to the shooting community..seems like everything is going wrong in our once great land... charlie

I feel exactly as Charlie and am kicking myself for not hoarding. There were so few duck days in California this season, last years left over shells were sufficient.

Alex is so easy to order from and always was so nice to visit with. Very bad news.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I've done a bit of hoarding thankfully, I've got enough duck and upland loads to last me several years. I don't shoot clays that much so I might have enough target loads to last me a year. At a small gun show few weeks back I bought 8 boxes of target stuff from a guy for $4 each and was glad to get them.

DLH

[Brian Stucker]

Destry just gave me a thought. Find members who hoarded RST's and invite them hunting at my private refuge in exchange for shot shells and retrieval services. That would complete my trifecta fowling dream; closed zone refuge shooting, free shells, and never having to retrieve a hen spoonie ever again!