12th Annual Northeast SxS Classic

[Dave Suponski]

The 12th Annual Northeast SxS Classic will be held at Hausmann's Hidden Hollow on June 6-8 2014. The Parker Gun Collectors Association will have display tables at this great event.

Also the BIG news is that the Parker/Fox Challenge that has been previously held at the Vintage Cup has been moved to this event. This is a great shoot draws a large contingent of Fox and Parker shooters so we should have some great comraderie and competition.Rules for this event will be posted at Hidden Hollow.

Be sure to stop by the PGCA tables and sit for a spell.

[Daryl Corona]

Hot darn ! Now..... who to shoot for- Parker or Fox. Decisions, decisions. Great that it's moved to Hausmann's. Can't wait.

[Dave Suponski]

Got that right Daryl..Would be nice to take that trophy back in those Foxer's backyard........:whistle:

[Daryl Corona]

What's the history so far in the Parker/Fox shoot-out? That will make my decision easier.

[Dave Suponski]

We are 0 for 2....:banghead:

[Daryl Corona]

Oh my, we must remedy that in June to at least 1 for 3. Bone up boys- those Fox guys are tough.

[Dean Romig]

Actually they're not so tough... they just shoot good.

Now, if we have a rumble out in the parking field and rough them up pretty good, I'll bet they don't shoot so good :corn:

[Daryl Corona]

Ok Dean, you bring the brass knuckles and I'll bring the linament.:nono:

[Frank Srebro]

Hey Dean, thanks for using that word Rumble. Haven't heard it in decades. Brought back some memories. Well here's one for you, it's always nice to shoot with you Cats .... for you younger readers who haven't heard that term, it's complimentary. Frank

[Rick Losey]

the way I shoot-- I could bring a Fox and help

[John Dallas]

"Rumble" - A 50's instrumental by Link Wray and the Wraymen.

[scott kittredge]

I will be there, can't wait, great shoot and people!! :) scott .oh, I will be shooting a Parker :cool:

[Rich Anderson]

Well at this moment in time I don't have a Fox so Parker it will be. Will there be a seperate event for hammerguns:rotf: we might win that one:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

[Bill Murphy]

Check again. You do have a Fox.

[Mike.Smith]

The best news in this post are the dates of the shoot! I missed last year and was afraid I'd miss it for several years to come, as it's always fallen on my son's birthday. With these dates, I should be able to make it this year! it's gonna be Rad! (Rad, short for Radical, an early 80's reference for you :) )

Mike

[Frank Srebro]

Good to hear that Mike.

It's never too early to start practicing. Hint Hint to my friends planning to shoot a Parker. A few pics taken yesterday at Rock Mountain that's near Hidden Hollow here in PA, before my camera froze up. Second pic is my buddy Freddy with his Elmer Fudd hat - no end of joking to keep warm. That Fox that was shipped in 1909.

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[Daryl Corona]

Cool, Daddy-yo! And I do mean cool at O degrees.:eek: Practice here won't start until we hit a balmy 25 degrees.

[Dean Romig]

Wicked Pissa! (Boston vernacular circa 1970's - current).

Frank, that looks like a very interesting Fox. Can you show us some better photo's on a new thread?

[Rich Anderson]

Bill your right I do have a Fox of sorts the FE 410 from CSM. I view it along the lines of the Parker reproductions in that it's not a true A.H. Fox gun but someday one will materialize:whistle:

Practice:eek: who needs practice:nono: when you stink you stink and no amount of practice is going to help:(

[Frank Srebro]

Sorry Dean, I have very few pics of that Fox which is a 12 gauge CE, my favorite sporting clays gun. Barrels have a ding in one muzzle and I just sent them off today to a friend to be laser microtigged. Kind of cosmetic but it bugs me. The other option was to trim the barrels to remove the ding which I didn't want to do. I'll post some pics after they come back and I finish off the weld. Here's the pic I sent to my friend who is doing this as a favor; his business is not gunsmithing and he isn't accepting "commissions".

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[Frank Srebro]

Barrel was returned on Friday. Just to show what can be done with modern laser microtigging. That weld "bead" is about .006" above the surface. I'll finish it off with a fine file. Bluing on the adjacent barrel surface was not damaged in the slightest.

Any laser microtig source should be able to do work of this quality.

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[Bill Murphy]

Link Wray was an institution here in Washington, DC. He played in local clubs for several years in my teenage period. Funny about that "club" business. They were "bars" in the Link Wray period, "clubs" in documentaries about the time.

[Dean Romig]

Poetic license?

By elevating the social status of a 'bar' to that of a 'club' elevates the status of the author from merely being another 'voice' to being a 'historian'.

[Rich Anderson]

By elevating the social status of a 'bar' to that of a 'club' elevates the status of the author from merely being another 'voice' to being a 'historian'.

Or one goes from being a drunk to becoming a patron:)

[John Dallas]

Here's the original version of "Rumble" Sorry if there is a bit of a commercial at the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4&feature=kp

[Dave Suponski]

Any way can we get this thread back on track about the shoot?

[Brian Dudley]

Sure thing Dave. I will see you all there. :bigbye:

It is a great time and the shooting is very challenging.

I do not know what will happen with me and this shoot in the upcoming years since it looks like we will be changing the dates that we hold the local Rochester Gun Shows. And they my conflict with Hausmans starting next year. And I can't exactly play hooky on a show that I help direct.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I'm planning on going--had a great time last year.
Let's see, I've got 6 Foxes and 4 Parkers-what team do I shoot on?

[Dean Romig]

If you're good you shoot for Team Parker. Conversely, if you're not so good, Team Fox could probably use you :clap:

[edgarspencer]

Does anyone else plan on tent camping? I did last year and it was wonderful. No bugs to speak of, and a sky full of stars. If there are a few more interested in Camping, I'm sure Ernie could be convinced to have a porta-john parked down towards the far corner of the parking field.

[Rich Anderson]

Shooting at Hausmanns and Drakes Landing are two of my favorite venues. Despite the cold,wind and the snow it won't be long befor we are there, then it will be gone for another year.

[Dean Romig]

We haven't fully decided yet. We have a Lance slide-on and a 2010 Ford F-250 so we'll see. We've already booked with the hotel but that is easily cancelled if we decide to stay in the field.

[Rick Losey]

If you're good you shoot for Team Parker. Conversely, if you're not so good, Team Fox could probably use you :clap:

that's why I plan to bring the 20ga Sterlingworth

[Rich Anderson]

Anyone want to lend me a Fox:rotf:

[Dave Suponski]

A Ford F-250? When did you guy's go over to the dark side? :whistle:

[Daryl Corona]

Anyone want to lend me a Fox:rotf:

I'll bring a couple.:shock:

[Dean Romig]

A Ford F-250? When did you guy's go over to the dark side? :whistle:


We didn't..... Jamie had his truck fitted to take my Lance. :cool:

Best of both worlds I'd say :whistle:

[Dave Suponski]

Nicely done Dean.....Very nicely done.....:rotf:

[Dean Romig]

:smiley7:

[scott kittredge]

A Ford F-250? When did you guy's go over to the dark side? :whistle:

So ,I take it the nice f 250 is black :cool:, I will be there in my f 150 :bowdown:

[Dean Romig]

No, it is dark red... but I haven't said we will be field camping... just a posibility.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Camping would be interesting. We sat around Edgars campsite last year on Saturday eve. and it was a great time. Rick passed around a bottle of single malt and the discusion was lively. Mark was taking pictures of Edgars pristine VH(E)?. Edgar's friend Alan( I believe) had an absolutely stunning 16 ga English gun--cant remember the make--I am sure someone here does. Those things make the shoot memorable.

[scott kittredge]

No, it is dark red... but I haven't said we will be field camping... just a posibility.

well ,I guess DARK red is still on the dark side :)

[Rich Anderson]

Harold the gun Edgars friend brought was a Holland & Holland:bowdown:

[Rick Losey]

and I shall once again bring a "dish to pass" :cheers:

[Dave Suponski]

The "Theme" for this years PGCA display at Hidden Hollow will be Parker Bros. hammerguns.

Stay tuned for the terms of the Parker/Fox Challenge Event.

[edgarspencer]

I like hammer guns

[Dave Suponski]

I know....:)

[Rich Anderson]

Me to, in fact I'm thinking I'll only bring 16ga hammer guns to Hausmanns, maybe a 12 in case the Pigeon ring is open but the 32 inch 16 will work just as well. One gauge, one pail of shells, simplicity at it's finest:rotf:

[edgarspencer]

Good idea Rich. The theme can be tightened to just 16ga Hammer guns.
I'll bring my three, Dean can bring his dozen, and you can bring your couple dozen. Bunch of hoarders is what you guys are.

[Rick Losey]

and I shall once again bring a "dish to pass" :cheers:

well - the crick rose :rotf:

our granddaughters have their first dance recital on that Saturday, and you know we will be there.

and I have grand jury duty on Friday - so - is there enough going on Sunday to make the trip worth a drive? i would expect folks to be packing up and getting ready to go by earlier afternoon Sunday.

bad timing - this is the only clays event i have made a point of going to lately

[Rich Anderson]

Edgar I have ONLY three Parker 16ga hammer guns:crying:

A) grade 1 lifter
B) grade 2 30 inch bbl
C) grade 0 32 inch bbls

Now that's NOT hoarding. I do have a 4th but it's an English gun and doesn't count:rotf:

[Dave Suponski]

The display will be for hammerguns of all gauges.

[Bob Jurewicz]

Just made my room reservation this AM. Will be there!!
Bob Jurewicz

[Matt Valinsky]

Well, I'm making the trip, this will be my first event ever of this kind. Think I'll be doing the field tent camping and I'm looking forward to meeting some of you characters!!!

[Mike Koneski]

Actually they're not so tough... they just shoot good.

Now, if we have a rumble out in the parking field and rough them up pretty good, I'll bet they don't shoot so good :corn:


Well now, it's been a long time since I enjoyed a good scuffle!!!! Team Fox would win that event too!!!! :draw:

[Dean Romig]

I don't think so.... They'd be afraid of getting a run in their stockings so they'd just hoist their skirts a bit and run like he77 :bigbye:

[Dave Purnell]

I'll see ya'll there this year, it's been a while.

Dave

[Matt Valinsky]

This should prove interesting, I've never shot any sporting clays. Maybe I should shoot for the fox team.

[Dave Suponski]

Gents, here are the official rules for the Fox/Parker Challenge.

[Dave Suponski]

Gents, here are the official rules for the Fox/Parker Challenge.

2014 Fox–Parker Challenge at Hidden Hollow


1) Competition is open to members in good standing of the AHFCA or PGCA as of June 1st, 2014. Updated rosters will be on hand to verify current membership status. Dual members of AHFCA and PGCA must choose ONE Association to represent at time of registration. Anyone attempting to shoot for both Associations will be disqualified.

2) Shooters must use a vintage shotgun promoted by the organization they choose to represent. Those shooting A.H. Fox guns and representing the AHFCA are limited to Fox guns manufactured in Philadelphia, PA and Utica, NY. Those shooting Parker Bros. or Parker guns and representing the PGCA are limited to Parker guns manufactured in Meriden, CT and Ilion, NY.

3) All those who wish to compete in the 2014 Fox/Parker Challenge must first shoot the 10-12-16 gauge course at Haussmann’s. This will be the “Qualification Round.” Any gun may be used (10 GA thru .410). The gunner will specify the maker and gauge when signing up at the clubhouse. You may shoot more than one qualification round (utilizing the same maker’s gun) with a separate signup and fee due each time.

4) Qualification round(s) may be shot all day on Friday June 6th or up until 11 am on Saturday June 7th. Completed scorecards must be back into the clubhouse no later than 11 am on Saturday. NO EXCEPTIONS!

5) The Top-5, high-scoring Fox and Parker shooters will be selected for the respective Challenge teams.

6) The Fox–Parker Challenge will be conducted on Hidden Hollow’s “Crazy Quail” field at 1 pm sharp on Saturday June 6th. A flip of the coin will decide the first team to shoot. “Crazy Quail” is a type of “flurry” however the timing between target releases will be lengthened slightly, to allow for more deliberate shooting

7) A total of 125 targets will be thrown for each team of 5 gunners. High cumulative score will decide the 2014 winning team. The cumulative score for each team will be calculated as follows: the sum of scores recorded by the Hidden Hollow scorer + the official Parker scorer + the official Fox scorer. That sum will be divided by three (3) and rounded to the second decimal place. Each scorer will use a hand operated mechanical counter.

8) In the event of a trap malfunction during a team’s attempt at the Challenge targets, the Hidden Hollow official will void that team’s score and a new round of 125 targets will be shot.

9) The wearing of Eye and Ear protection is required of all competitors.

10) All Hidden Hollow/NSCA rules will apply for ammunition and maximum allowed shot size.

11) All shooters who qualify for the Challenge Team will receive an official Fox/Parker
Hat to commemorate this epic contest.

12). All shooters must have fun, be safe and conduct themselves in a sportsmanlike manner becoming of these two, fine organizations!

[Dean Romig]

....why did that happen?...

[Daryl Corona]

Don't have M/Word. How else can I view it?

[Mike Koneski]

....why did that happen?...


Because NE SxS does not use referees at each station like the Vintage Cup does. The shoot-out for the championship will make sure scoring is fair for the Championship.

[Daryl Corona]

Thanks OP:bigbye:

[Brian Dudley]

You will enjoy yourself Matt. Ernie sets up a fun and challenging course. And it is a nice relaxed environment.
Just don't plan on needing your cell phone there.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Matt,
it will be good to meet a fellow Buckeye. Edgar camped out last year and on Sat. afternoon, abunch of us sat around his campsite( at Hausmann's) and shot the bull and had a little adult refreshment--very enjoyable. As far as shooting goes, dont worry about it. We generally dont even carry our score cards--and if you have never shot sporting clays, maybe I wont be the low gun, ha! I will leave very early Fri morning and get ther around noon--it is a long drive, especially when you get close--there is no straight shot. I'll leave Sun, around noon for home.
Harold

[Mike.Smith]

I have to say that I'm pretty excited about this format for the shoot this year. I like the ability to qualify multiple times if I want, and I love the formality of having a face to face shoot off with scorekeepers. I think it brings this shoot up a level and will hopefully draw a good crowd for the final. I also like the idea of a slowed down version of the "Crazy Quail" shoot off, instead of the typical five stand. Jim and Benjamin Hall shot the Crazy Quail setup at Backwoods with me last fall, and running full speed it's quite a challenge. I think it's a great way to test the skill of the shooters, based on the upredictable nature of the targets.

Mike

[Eric Eis]

You will enjoy yourself Matt. Ernie sets up a fun and challenging course. And it is a nice relaxed environment.
Just don't plan on needing your cell phone there.

Why is it at most of the shoots, "Just don't plan on using your cell phone" is always mentioned, Southern, Hausman's, UP shoot.....etc :rotf:

[Chuck Bishop]

Hausmanns in in the boon docks of NE PA. Your lucky if you get a signal.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

That doesnt bother me one bit!

[Frank Srebro]

For those who need/want to keep in touch while in the boonies, you might consider a signal booster. I get zero, maybe one bar out in the mountains at the hunting cabin. But with the booster I'll get 3-4 bars and my iPhone works as normal with Verizon. I also bought the 12V power supply and unit works equally well in weak areas while in the vehicle or on the ATV. I have no affiliation with Wilson.

http://www.wilsonamplifierstore.com/?gclid=CN7Jp5jdvKwCFUdn5Qod501qrA

[Rich Anderson]

I don't need to be that accessable:nono: Voice mail works and I'll get back to them in the evening.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I agree Rich. It will be refreshing not to here cell phones ring all day. I know mine went off a lot at Drakes on Thurs, but thats' cause it was my birthday. Should have left it in the truck!

[Matt Valinsky]

Harold, Do you get on the the PA turnpike to Harrisburg then north on rt. 81 or is there a better way to get there? Oh, by the way, if we happen to shoot together not to worry, you will look good!

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Boy, there is no straight shot, or easy way there.
I go I 70 to New Stanton and take a short toll connector to RT 22( the same one that runs thru Cambridge), and then 22 to hit I99 just south of Altoona--then 99 t0 I 80 and from there , I cant remember all the twists and turns.

[Dean Romig]

Maybe Morris will start a helicopter shuttle service :cool:

[edgarspencer]

I can get to within spitting distance with my eyes closed.
Its the last 2 miles that gets me every time. Seems I go round and round.

[Frank Srebro]

For those coming from the south and planning to use I-81N from Wilkes Barre thru and past the Scranton area ..... there's a lot of road/bridge reconstruction going on in that section of about 20 or more miles. This morning the TV news reported a 3 mile long backup in one section. You might consider getting off I-81 at Wilkes Barre and using an alternate route to Hidden Hollow or to the Parker hooch in Vestal NY. Sorry I won't make any suggestions for alternate routes; I did that a couple of times in the past and it didn't work out with some gents. Nuff said. If were doing it I'd try using Mapquest and "stretch" the map route north of Wilkes Barre to find alternates on the state highways.

[Matt Valinsky]

Thanks for the heads up on I-81, I was kinda thinking of that route, about 80 miles longer but I think less drive time. Back to plan B I guess, just have to figure out what plan B is.

[Brian Dudley]

Best to turn your phone completely off at Hausmans as it will die very quick from searching for a signal constantly.

[Robin Lewis]

Matt, coming from Ohio? Look at Interstate 86 along the NY/PA line. I drove it last year and it was a good choice for me. I can't remember if I used NY417 but I think I did? Getting old and "the second thing" is going I guess.

[Rick Losey]

interstate 86 is the old four lane route 17 with the grade crossings removed, 417 is the really old two lane 17.

you can get off 86 at Nichols and head south on 282 into PA- a GPS or mapquest will fill in the back roads

that's my usual route, going to be sorry to miss it this year.

[Dave Suponski]

You will most definitly be missed Rick. Sorry that you can't make it.

[Dean Romig]

+1 what Dave said.

Will you need to miss every day of it Rick?

[Chuck Bishop]

I go I-81 to Wilkes Barre, then 309 to 29 into Tunkhannock then Rt 6 to Meshoppen, 267 through Lawnton then 4015 to Flynn Rd. Takes me about 3 hrs from Harrisburg.

[Rick Losey]

+1 what Dave said.

Will you need to miss every day of it Rick?

afraid so- been called to grand jury duty starting the week before (5 days a week for 4 weeks, they said the DA can't figure out a better way - I think we need a smarter DA :whistle: )- so that ties up Friday, and the granddaughters' first dance recital is Saturday, so that would leave a rushed trip on Sunday getting there late morning- I figure that mornings at these events is generally the last shooting and lots of folks will be filtering out to hit the road.

[Matt Valinsky]

Robin, yes, driving up from Ohio. If your there, hope I can meet up with you.

[Robin Lewis]

Matt, hope to meet you there.

[Bill Murphy]

Coming from the south, Chuck's route is the way to go.

[Dave Suponski]

Well, We are getting close and oh my the Fox boys are talkin trash over on their site. Let's just see how this all plays out.

[edgarspencer]

Trash talking is just their way of coping with an inferior gun complex.

[Mike Koneski]

Yeah they are!! I'm afraid not even Team LC Smith could beat the Fox Brothers!! :crying:

[Rich Anderson]

I hope Ernie has the pigeon ring operational.

[Bob Jurewicz]

Are any PGCA BLANK NAME TAGS available for the NE S/S???
It would be great to identify other members not yet met!
Bob Jurewicz

[Dave Suponski]

Bob, I may have a few with me at Ernies. And just to add a bit of gas to the fire.

[Larry Frey]

Are any PGCA BLANK NAME TAGS available for the NE S/S???
It would be great to identify other members not yet met!
Bob Jurewicz

Bob,
That's a great idea. Deb just made up a couple dozen blank PGCA name tags so anyone who wants one need only stop by our table. We will also have whats left of the PGCA 20th Anniversary towels as well as some 2014 raffle tickets for the D Grade Parker top lever hammer gun that will be on display there.

[Bob Jurewicz]

Just spoke with RST. They are in production NOW and will have shells at the NE S/S.
Bob Jurewicz

[Dean Romig]

Well that's good news... apparently things have changed since I spoke with Morris two weeks ago.

[Larry Frey]

It seems the Fox guys were afraid to shoot us straight up on the Sporting Clays Range so they decided to change the rules. This year the shoot-off will now be held on something called The Crazy Quail. I was curious what that might be and found this http://crazyquail.com/ presentation of Crazy Quail. Not sure how they figure this will help them win but knowing Toolman I'm sure he has something devious up his sleeve. It looks like we all better practice our speed reloading.

[Dean Romig]

Not really a game for SXS shooters unless we have two guns each along with a loader right beside us.

I much prefer shooting in the woods on the "hunters clays" course..... Oh well, this is progress I suppose.

[Pete Lester]

Not really a game for SXS shooters unless we have two guns each along with a loader right beside us.

I much prefer shooting in the woods on the "hunters clays" course..... Oh well, this is progress I suppose.

and definitely not a game for the reloader because the speed of reloading demands you eject your empty hulls to the ground.

[Fred Lauer]

Looks like it was invented by somebody with stock in White Flyer.

[Frank Srebro]

Just a quick update on the Fox Collector specialized shooting events at the upcoming Northeast Side by Side .... today we started setting up for our Bo-Whoop Long Range Shoot and our W C Letternam Cup SBT event. As previously communicated, this year we'll have a third trap for each of the competitions. That third trap throws chondelle targets, kind of like a single quacker dropping into the blocks. As usual we "proof shot" the targets and I'm happy to report that a 410 using 2-1/2-inch shells with 1/2 ounce of 9's did the trick on all three birds. No kidding. And no excuses this year gents!

Reminder: you don't have to shoot a Fox to come away with one of the cash purses.

THE FOX-PARKER CHALLENGE will be reported separately by those in charge of that event.

Getting set up at the Bo-Whoop shooting station. The WCL SBT shooting station will be off a bit to the right and isn't set up yet in this pic.
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One of the traps with a fancy adjustment base
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Vendor tent going up at Hidden Hollow
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[Dave Suponski]

The "Crazy Quail" is set up and running at Ernies. There will be a 3-4 second delay between the targets. I am told that the possibilities of the target presentation are endless. There are a few details still to be worked out but I am sure this will be a challenge for all that compete. Bring your "A" game boy's!

[Frank Srebro]

I had a question on the Fox site about the 410 with 9-shot and how that fits with the concept of a long-range shoot. :nono: Just fyi I am copying my answer here. :)

..... I didn't say the 410 with 9-shot did well, only that all three birds were breakable with same. Comment was intended in humor for some friends who whine every year that the birds can't be broken, are too far out, flight path(s) are funky, we should allow 1-1/2 ounces of shot, "should have brought my Flak 88", etc etc.

This year the #1 target is a high quartering going-away bird - you can see the trap in the second pic, #2 is a nice slow incomer, #3 is a condelle that settles about 35 yards in front of the shooter. No problem gents .....

[Pete Lester]

I had a question on the Fox site about the 410 with 9-shot and how that fits with the concept of a long-range shoot. :nono: Just fyi I am copying my answer here. :)

..... I didn't say the 410 with 9-shot did well, only that all three birds were breakable with same. Comment was intended in humor for some friends who whine every year that the birds can't be broken, are too far out, flight path(s) are funky, we should allow 1-1/2 ounces of shot, "should have brought my Flak 88", etc etc.

This year the #1 target is a high quartering going-away bird - you can see the trap in the second pic, #2 is a nice slow incomer, #3 is a condelle that settles about 35 yards in front of the shooter. No problem gents .....

If a bird is consistently breakable with 9 shot out of any guage shotgun it is not a long range target. Why not be true to the Bo-Whoop legacy of long range shooting and throw targets where the shooter has 55 to 60 yard presentations?

[Frank Srebro]

If a bird is consistently breakable with 9 shot out of any guage shotgun it is not a long range target. Why not be true to the Bo-Whoop legacy of long range shooting and throw targets where the shooter has 55 to 60 yard presentations?

This is one of those things I can't win so I'll just say, please quote me accurately Mr. Lester. I did not write CONSISTENTLY, you did. :whistle:

Just trying to do some publiciity here. Those who've been to the Northeast and have attempted the Bo-Whoop targets will know that we've been true to the BW tradition; and we will be again this year. Shooters will see presentations where the better choice is to shoot the target at long range. This is our seventh year and we had almost 200 shooters last year so we (I) must be doing something right putting on a long range shoot.

[Pete Lester]

This is one of those things I can't win so I'll just say, please quote me accurately Mr. Lester. I did not write CONSISTENTLY, you did. :whistle:

Just trying to do some publiciity here. Those who've been to the Northeast and have attempted the Bo-Whoop targets will know that we've been true to the BW tradition; and we will be again this year. Shooters will see presentations where the better choice is to shoot the target at long range. This is our seventh year and we had almost 200 shooters last year so we (I) must be doing something right putting on a long range shoot.

Frank I think you missed my point, a 410 shooting 9's could break long range target, (which is what I thought the Bo-Whoop was about), however, those breaks would be a fluke. I used the word consistently in a deliberate manner, and I do not see where I adding anything to what I quoted you said (the computer takes care of that). My point and retort to your post is, if a load of 9's can break those clay targets consistently they are not long range targets.

I was challenging your publicity post for what was, a challenge from you or even a taunt to those who try the Bo-Whoop and miss.

[Frank Srebro]

Well Mr Lester maybe if you coordinated the B-W shooting for 6 years and spent 6 X 2 = 12 days with gents who were laughing and joking about hitting and missing, and what it takes to break our long range targets, you'd better understand the humor that was intended with my post about all three targets being breakable with 1/2 ounce of 9's from a 410. Note that I didn't say consistently breakable which seems to be the point youre trying to make. I have the signup sheets from the shooting for the last three years and I don't see your name listed as a shooter. Let me ask, have you ever even been to the Northeast SxS and seen the Bo-Whoop setup? If you had you'd better understand the culture of the event and maybe get off your soapbox trying to turn my words into taunting or a "challenge" - based on a very debatable "interpretation" of my comments.

[Pete Lester]

Well Mr Lester maybe if you coordinated the B-W shooting for 6 years and spent 6 X 2 = 12 days with gents who were laughing and joking about hitting and missing, and what it takes to break our long range targets, you'd better understand the humor that was intended with my post about all three targets being breakable with 1/2 ounce of 9's from a 410. Note that I didn't say consistently breakable which seems to be the point youre trying to make. I have the signup sheets from the shooting for the last three years and I don't see your name listed as a shooter. Let me ask, have you ever even been to the Northeast SxS and seen the Bo-Whoop setup? If you had you'd better understand the culture of the event and maybe get off your soapbox trying to turn my words into a "challenge" - based on a very debatable "interpretation" of my comments.

Is it just me or is this not going in a friendly direction? I merely challenged your assertion, joking or not, that a 410 and 9's was a viable gun and load having seen your target presentations in the past. Yes I have been to this shoot. Yes I have tried the Bo-Whoop some time ago and I have not cared to participate in it since then for reasons not related to target presentation but I understand your having fun with it.

[Frank Srebro]

Back up to Hidden Hollow today to get some final work done on the Fox Collectors' specialty shooting venues. Here are some random pics:

Bo-Whoop shooting station to the left and the WC Letterman Cup SBT station on the right. That's our Kaiser nosing around.
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Large vendor tent is up
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Bill, Donnie (on the ground), Charlie and Boyd supervising
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RST tent is up
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Cobbie already set up
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Other vendors were starting to show up as I was leaving
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[Brian Dudley]

See you all tomorrow! I am set up right next to the PGCA booth. :bigbye:

[Pete Lester]

Here are some random pictures from the Northeast Side by Side shoot, what great weather we had!

In the next to last photo are PGCA members, Matt Valinski, Dean Romig and Eric Eis.

[Pete Lester]

Chris Travinski shot the course on Fri and Sat.

[Pete Lester]

Frank Cronin and Chis Travinski look over the targets on Sat. Frank shot a 42 x 50 on Friday and took 2nd place with long run in the 12ga class of the Hunters Clays event.

[Pete Lester]

A couple of pictures of me, Chris said he got one of me hitting a clay pigeon, I don't think there is any photographic evidence of that unless I use photoshop :)

[allan.mclane]

A fine event with perfect weather for camping, shooting, general camaraderie, and on Saturday evening, another hilarious episode of the Rich and Edgar Show! For a tyro like me, the learning opportunities were endless. Thanks to one and all! --Allan

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[Robin Lewis]

A few more pictures

[Mark Ouellette]

More photos...

[Craig Smith]

Here is my shooting buddy with just some of the empty hulls from 2 days of shooting. We each shot 700 rounds! :shock:

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