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Bruce Day
01-15-2014, 11:20 AM
12ga D Hammer

We'll have tickets at the Pheasant Fest in Milwaukee Feb 14, 15, 16. This is not the exact gun, as it is presently out for a little fluffing up by one of the generous gunsmith friends of the PGCA but I feel confident in saying that the actual gun will look as good as this or better. It will be a nice gun to have.

Eric Eis
01-15-2014, 11:24 AM
Now that's one neat gun......

Rick Losey
01-15-2014, 11:34 AM
wow --

Mark Landskov
01-15-2014, 11:37 AM
Very nice!

Dennis V. Nix
01-15-2014, 12:37 PM
If you send it to me I could take the time to make sure it shoots well before I win it in the raffle. Just me, trying to be helpful once again. That is a beautiful gun.

Dennis

Bill Murphy
01-15-2014, 12:45 PM
A ten D hammer? You have to be kidding. Linda's raffle ticket purchases are out of hand. Now I'll be joining the insanity. OK, let's have the PGCA letter on this great gun. Chuck??

Dennis V. Nix
01-15-2014, 12:47 PM
I thought it said 12 ga D hammer???

Dennis

Mills Morrison
01-15-2014, 01:00 PM
Look at that wood! I like the dog engraving too. Maybe this year will be the charm for me.

Greg Baehman
01-15-2014, 02:25 PM
Wow, that's exactly what I've been looking for for years . . . a 12-ga. Grade 3 fishtail toplever!

charlie cleveland
01-15-2014, 03:22 PM
yep this gun is gona sell a lot of tickets for sure..mighty nice...charlie

Larry Frey
01-15-2014, 03:31 PM
Here is a little information on the PGCA 2014 Raffle Gun.

Angel Cruz
01-15-2014, 03:48 PM
That's got to be full chokes. Who's selling the tickets. I swear I can never remember..

Mills Morrison
01-15-2014, 03:52 PM
That was my reaction Angel. Looks like XXX Full

Rich Anderson
01-15-2014, 03:59 PM
I have a grade 3 hammergun but another one wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't win a free lunch is a soup kitchen if I brought my own bowl and spoon but I'll buy tickets for a hammergun.

Dean Romig
01-15-2014, 04:05 PM
Ed Morgan is the Chairman of the Raffle Gun Committee.

Dean Romig
01-15-2014, 04:11 PM
Now that's a waterfowl gun for sure!! Almost 9 lbs. and the original owner was in Portland Maine. There was great waterfowl hunting in that area in that time period. It is a wonderful gun - I have handled it and only wish I could win it :crying:

Rich Anderson
01-15-2014, 04:13 PM
Dean you won a raffel gun once befor. Isn't it a once in a lifetime event?:rotf:

Bill Murphy
01-15-2014, 04:53 PM
Dean and others, the purchaser of the gun, Mr. Davis, was a dealer, not an individual. I am still crazy about the gun. Is it a #3 frame gun? At this weight, it is not hard to imagine. If it is a pre check hook gun with no frame size marking, maybe we could measure the firing pin spacing to find the frame size. I am all atwitter, but, then, I'm usually all atwitter. I have a 1912 Flying Ducks catalog with the Davis stamp. Maybe I can trade the catalog in on some extra raffle tickets. I don't know where I got the idea it was a ten. What a gun. Bruce, please post pictures of the actual raffle gun as soon as possible.

Bruce Day
01-15-2014, 04:58 PM
The timing is such that we think we will have the actual gun on display in Milwaukee and if we do, I'll post photos. The key is that it is a D hammer, with the nice bolster sculpting, and highly desirable to many if not most collectors.

Dean Romig
01-15-2014, 10:50 PM
Dean you won a raffel gun once befor. Isn't it a once in a lifetime event?:rotf:



PGCA Officers and BOD members are ineligible.

David Noble
01-16-2014, 01:06 AM
Bruce, do you know if it has the original barrel length?
I can't wait to see it once its spruced up! Aren't raffle tickets sent to the members in advance?

ED J, MORGAN
01-16-2014, 07:00 AM
I will be sending each member one book of 6 tickets in August 2014. You may request more books by email. at a later date.

ED J, MORGAN
01-16-2014, 07:04 AM
Bruce, do you know if it has the original barrel length?
I can't wait to see it once its spruced up! Aren't raffle tickets sent to the members in advance?

Barrels are 30", steel butt, splinter fr,

Angel Cruz
01-16-2014, 07:18 AM
I will be sending each member one book of 6 tickets in August 2014. You may request more books by email. at a later date.

So, we can't buy tickets whenever we want them? We have to wait till after Aug. 2014?? Don't make no sense...

Larry Frey
01-16-2014, 07:23 AM
Bruce, do you know if it has the original barrel length?
I can't wait to see it once its spruced up! Aren't raffle tickets sent to the members in advance?

David,
The barrels are 30" and have a beautiful Damascus pattern. They are very stout as is indicated by the gun weight listed on the letter. I believe this gun to be a two frame with incredible wood and wonderful D grade engraving typical of guns from this period.

I will post some nice close-ups of the gun in a couple of weeks and it will also be on display at most of the events the PGCA will be represented at throughout the year.

Erick Dorr
01-16-2014, 07:36 PM
Lovely. This gun needs to come home to Maine.
Erick

Paul Stafford
01-16-2014, 10:29 PM
My luck is so bad I could buy all the books of tickets and still loose.........

Doesn't mean I won't try........


Beautiful gun...

John Davis
01-17-2014, 06:20 AM
I believe the chokes have been opened a bit and the stock bent a tad to take out some of the drop. Would make a great dove or sporting clays gun.

ED J, MORGAN
01-17-2014, 11:27 AM
Angel. I have printed 100 books for early shows. The picture on the ticket is a hammer gun but not quite correct, but ok for now. When the gun comes back from the gunsmith I will print more tickets with the correct pic. In the other post, by later I did not mean after Aug.

Rich Anderson
01-17-2014, 01:00 PM
Angel come to the Southern and you can buy all the tickets you want there.:rotf:

Mills Morrison
01-17-2014, 01:07 PM
Seriously Angel. It would be great to put a name with a face. Should be a lot of fun too.

Dean Romig
01-17-2014, 01:19 PM
The real Raffle Gun is every bit as nice looking as the one shown in the representative picture.

edgarspencer
01-18-2014, 04:48 AM
Dean, If I remember correctly, you and I were standing with Larry at the Southern last year when the gun was given to Larry. I remember the look on your face, and it must have matched mine, when Larry said "Here's the 2014 Raffle gun"
It truly is a beautiful gun.

Dean Romig
01-18-2014, 07:34 AM
It was that plus the realization that I wouldn't have a chance to bring it home.

John Dallas
01-18-2014, 08:56 AM
Can someone describe the process by which the PGCA acquires the raffle guns?

Larry Frey
01-18-2014, 10:10 AM
John,
I have only been involved in the process for a relatively short time but in the past most of the guns would be purchased at the best possible price and freshened if necessary to allow for the maximum monetary benefit of the PGCA. At the 2012 Fall Southern, Life Member and past Chairman of the Board John Davis graciously donated an amazing D grade top lever hammer gun for use as this years raffle gun and we can't thank him enough. I should have more information and some nice pics in a couple of weeks. This will perhaps be the nicest gun the PGCA has ever raffled and hope everyone gets a chance to handle it at some of our upcoming events.

Bruce Day
01-18-2014, 10:35 AM
I'll add to Larry's post. As he said, the raffle gun is sometimes donated. Other times, the word is passed out that we are looking for a raffle gun a year or two into the future. It has to be a gun where there is a consensus that it will be desirable to members and the public, its a nice original configuration gun ( no chopped barrels, added beavertails, etc) , and right priced so as to maximize return to the PGCA.

If the gun is bought from a director or longtime PGCA good guy, its bought at his cost; no self dealing money making deals here. Often the gun needs fluffing up, it hasn't been a full restoration, but sometimes the barrels need re-browning if Damascus, and often the stock needs dirt cleaned out and a top coat rubbed in. That work is usually generously donated or at cost by a friend of the PGCA gunsmith, Dale Edmonds, Brad Bachelder and Doug Turnbull come to mind.

Sometimes a request has been posted on the forum for submission of raffle gun candidates. It has to be a gun that others would be pleased to own and the more wow factor the better. Got one you want to donate or sell at cost?

Dean Romig
01-18-2014, 12:30 PM
All of the Raffle Guns that I have seen since I joined the PGCA in about 2000 have been very desirable representations of various grades and configurations of Parker guns.
The CHE Double Trap gun I won in 2005 was a fabulous Parker and all the PGCA had done to it was the addition of a new Silvers pad and the checkering touched up. This year's Raffle Gun, while representing a different category of Parker shotguns, is every bit as desirable... even more so to many members.