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will evans
12-22-2013, 10:10 AM
This is a 16ga gun I'm exploring. Hoping someone can help me with the mark above and below the word "choke" on the barrels. Is that a rooster, pheasant, cat, peacock, pegasus? What does it indicate about the gun?

Also, it appears to say "no steel cap" on the bottom barrel. I believe this gun is a war bring-back. Surprised to see english on the gun, although it is a 7-pin sidelock. Anyone seen this or know why it would be on an alleged French/Belgian firearm? Markings on the side of the barrels, just above the barrel flats, read St. Hubert - Paris

Also, am I correct that 17.1 means the gun is underbored, with choke of 17.0 or equivalently .029 constriction(full)?

Any input is welcome!

http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/rosescrollsideplates.jpg?w=300&h=171


http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/barrel_markings.jpg?w=300&h=224
Not the best sized picture, but I'm trying to ID the marking that is on both barrels right around choke 17.0.

http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rosescrollreceiver.jpg?w=300&h=198

lion over PV belgian proof mark indicating nitro proof, correct? What about the other marks?

http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rosebottom.jpg?w=300&h=182

http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rosescrolltang.jpg?w=300&h=120
Check out the bug screw in the lower center of the head of the top lever.

http://jawjadawg.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rosegun.jpg?w=300&h=102
Barrels look a little short to me - 26", maybe? I wonder if that even. Either that, or a really long LOP. Waiting on pics of the barrels and a measurement. Gun weighs 6lbs 4 oz.

Rick Losey
12-22-2013, 10:21 AM
http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.html

will evans
12-22-2013, 10:30 AM
http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.html

I don't think its a Belgian proof mark, at least not by that list.

Rick Losey
12-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Are you saying you don't think it is a belgian proof mark?

not at all.

i just posted a link that will explain the meaning of those Belgium marks to you, and help you identify the ones you don't recognize.

the pics are a little small to read everything on.

will evans
12-22-2013, 01:42 PM
Well it is Belgian - your link and better pictures from the seller gave me 1926 manufacture. Just wish that mark on the barrels could be identified. Thanks for the help.