powder supply

[charlie cleveland]

well my powder supply is builing up slowly i picked up another 1 pound can of red dot yesterday and got it at a fair price 21.00 tax and all..have had to give 28.00 for the last coupla cans of bluedot...powder supply has been slim around here but things are looking up slowly..still no 22 s on the shelf at walmart they got some last thursday but people stand in line to get them... charlie

[Rick Losey]

yes, I was pleasantly surprised when I stopped by a local shop with prioritized list of 3 powders I would look for, they had them all.

my first choice was only available in larger sizes, the shop owner said he can get more of the powders but often has to take them in the 4 or 8 pound size.

[King Brown]

Why are .22 cartridges and powders in short supply?

[Rick Losey]

Why are .22 cartridges and powders in short supply?

we have tried to figure that out in a couple threads

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10073

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9661


i see the big box sporting goods stores around here are having sales on many types of ammo- including .22s last week, so what ever the reason the shortage seems to be easing - but I don't expect the prices to get much better, Newtons law of what goes up must come down never applies to money.

the next thing is the news that the last "primary" lead smelter in the country is planning to close the end of the year.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december.aspx

So, is more lead hoarding the next crisis?

[John Dallas]

Someone suggested that .22's are in short supply because all available production capacity was redirected to more profitable center fire pistol rounds. Now that it appears that pistol ammo is not in such short supply, we should start to see .22's again

[Richard Flanders]

The .22 shortage is a real mystery to me. I know folks hoarded them but there is a good little video on youtube that shows CCI making over 2 million rounds per day throughout the 'shortage' so how could there possibly be a shortage?? Somehow it doesn't make sense. At least they're not $100/brick now as they were at Denver gun shows last spring. I can tell you I have plenty!

[King Brown]

Thank you, gentlemen. You made me feel less stupid!

[Dean Romig]

It's all about price control. Remember the 1973 "gasoline shortage"?... Yeah, right!

[Pete Lester]

The .22 shortage is a real mystery to me. I know folks hoarded them but there is a good little video on youtube that shows CCI making over 2 million rounds per day throughout the 'shortage' so how could there possibly be a shortage?? Somehow it doesn't make sense. At least they're not $100/brick now as they were at Denver gun shows last spring. I can tell you I have plenty!

I haven't seen the video but we do we really know the date(s) it was taken or are we to take at face value it was done during the shortage? Two million rounds per day sounds huge but that represents 4000 bricks of 500 (3536 bricks of 550). 4000 bricks spread across how many stores across 50 states (80 bricks per state per day).

The shortage/non existence of 22 LR is real, it has gone on for most of the year and as far as I can see it persists for whatever the reason(s), and they are not good for sportsmen.

[CraigThompson]

Well i'm heading back to Shirk's sometime in early December to get a load for us and a friends shop !

As long as I can get 3 or 4 pounds of SR7625 and a couple pounds of SR4756 my shotgun powder needs are covered .
Also may as well pick up some of the Claybuster knockoff AA16 wads and some Remington SP-10's . Couple thousand 209 primers as well . A bag of Magnum 6's also .

I'd like to get a 5 pounder of Unique but Shirk told me last trip that he didn't expect to get any Alliant powders before the first of the year .

In the past we've gotten delivery from Park's in North Carolina , but as of the last 4-6 months they have virtually nothing we order except shot and clay targets . So I have to hit the road for the two shops every so often .

[CraigThompson]

I haven't seen the video but we do we really know the date(s) it was taken or are we to take at face value it was done during the shortage? Two million rounds per day sounds huge but that represents 4000 bricks of 500 (3536 bricks of 550). 4000 bricks spread across how many stores across 50 states (80 bricks per state per day).

The shortage/non existence of 22 LR is real, it has gone on for most of the year and as far as I can see it persists for whatever the reason(s), and they are not good for sportsmen.


None of my usual distributers have been able to get us ANY 22LR blam blam ammo .

I can however get the higher priced quality target 22LR ammo . But the stuff I can get is all dealer cost over $100 a brick and was those prices before "the fit hit the shan" !

[CraigThompson]

FWIW I was at a gun auction last friday night and they sold some ammo after the guns !

They had lots of 22LR 2800 , 2500 , 2450 each of these sold in excess of $300 . They also had two bricks of Remington Thunderbolts that went for $130 !!!!!!!!

[Richard Flanders]

I can't remember Pete why I thought it was supposed to represent production during the shortage but that's my impression. It's a very cool video that shows the process from A to Z of making .22's and the final product stacked on 4ft square pallets. Very informative regardless of timing. Can't remember if they interviewed someone during it. I can tell you it's pretty automated and they really crank them out. It's easy to find through Google.

[Paul Harm]

Don't know about 22's, but the only powder shortage I've seen is 700X and one of the Clay's powders. I just received a order at my club and we got just about everything we wanted in the shotgun venue.

[Harry Collins]

I always stop and look in the Walmart's for .22's. I got lucky Monday while out of town. 100 CCI Mini Mag HP's @ $7.49. They only let me purchase three of the five boxes they had. I asked the girl if they had ever had a shortage. She said not really, that the same fellows come in each week and buy it all as it is put out.

Harry

[Rick Losey]

I got lucky Monday while out of town.
Harry

Harry - if I knew you better there is a bad joke in there :corn:

[Harry Collins]

Rick,

I didn't squander my youth on education or family. Until the time I married 32 years ago at age 33 you would have been spot on.

Harry

[Bill Murphy]

The last delivery we got from our supplier included Thunderbolts for $21.00 per 500 if I recall. I bought 1500, because it is not my favorite, but I guess I should have bought more. Federal Top Guns were $56.50 a flat. Remember, Top Guns are now available in 12 gauge 7/8 ounce 1200 fps, a very friendly load.

[Harry Collins]

Bill, I can't reload for that price.

Harry

[Paul Harm]

I buy from Dawsons and load 3/4oz loads for $3.34/box. The 7/8oz loads would cost me $3.66/box. You have to buy in quantity for a discount. The 22s are being sold for $22/500 at a local hardware store.

[Bill Murphy]

Harry, that's why we're buying the Top Guns.