Parker 28 "O"/"VF"/"P"?

[Michael Evernham]

Hello! New member here from Indianapolis, IN.

I just purchased a Parker 28 built in 1900. According to serial number and barrel type it is an "O" I think. However, the watertable is marked with a "P". All numbers match.

This gun has been reconditioned and is beautiful to look at. I am concerned it isn't correct though.

Any Insight greatly appreciated.

[Mark Ouellette]

Michael

I moved your thread so it will be viewed by more members.

Welcome aboard!
Mark

[Rick Losey]

a full serial number will allow us to check to see if the original configuration is in the serialization book.

you should also check the home page link to see if information is available for this gun, if you join the PGCA the letter is a deal

and pictures please - that will help answer your questions

[Michael Evernham]

96532

Underside of barrels shows "0". Watertable shows "P". Lifter gun with fluid steel barrels (Parker steel?).

I will post pics later as I am now on my phone due to travel.

Thanks for the quick replies.

Mike

P.s. I will be initiating membership too. Now that I have my first Parker!

[Rick Losey]

that number is not in the serialization book, but there are surviving records for a letter.

[edgarspencer]

The '0' on the barrel lug is the frame size. Not uncommon for a 28ga. to be built on an 0 frame, but Lifter? Are you certain you're describing the action correctly?
Did this gun come from New York?

[Bill Murphy]

My bet is that he bought my old favorite #77,352 but can't read numbers. Am I right or wrong? This gun has been my "Lover" for many years.

[edgarspencer]

Bill, you can still love #77,352.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=372596564
Not a bad profit if he can move it. It sold in Red Hook back in the Spring for half that. Remember the auctioneer who was PMing everybody?

[edgarspencer]

I'd sure like a lifter 28 on an 0 frame.

[Michael Evernham]

Okay - probably using the wrong terminology. "Lifter" is not right. It does not have ejectors, only extractors.

I have the serial number listed correctly - 96532

standby and I will put up some pics.

[Michael Evernham]

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[Michael Evernham]

Obviously, I am still trying to figure out how to post proper pics. Any help - much appreciated

Try this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=370961755

[Bill Murphy]

Your gun will turn out to be some kind of 16 or 20 gauge Twist Steel gun that somehow got to be a 28 gauge, either by sleeving or some other method. I can see twist steel in the pictures. Notice that the seller never posted pictures of the breech area of the barrels, the full flats of barrels, or the rib logo. The gun looks like it is seriously off face also. Let us know what is going on here. We don't want one of our friends to get hurt, and we think you have gotten hurt. I hope we're wrong. This gun is a serious effort at faking a $150 gun into what an uninformed buyer will pay the big bucks for. You need to send it back, now. The lack of the exact pertinent pictures constitute fraud. Get on it. You bought a ruined $150 gun.

[Michael Evernham]

It is off face. It is also quite muzzle heavy. The barrels do seem to be too heavy to be 28 ga.

[edgarspencer]

0 frame 28 ga barrels may seem heavy (it's all relative) but you'll appreciate it when you're swinging the gun.
I think that gun needs a visit to a good gunsmith, as I think the problem is not so much that the barrels are ' off face' as it is a problem that they were never fit correctly. (I suspect the gun was originally something other than a steel barrel 28 when it left the factory) The other possibility is the frame may be warped when it was re case hardened.

[wayne goerres]

The gun has been sleevrd to 28ga. You can see the seem in the pic of just the barrel on the far right side above where part of the logo is displayed.

[edgarspencer]

Man Wayne you got good eyes. I can just see the line on the right barrel but I would have missed if it if you hadn't spotted it.

[edgarspencer]

Michael, Bill's advice may have stung a bit, but he's absolutely right. I'd get that gun back to the seller so fast the postman won't know what hit him.
The seller's pictures of the breach end are so blurry, no one would know from those shots that it has been sleeved, but two other shots, on close inspection surely look like it has. You will spend more money to make the gun mechanically right than you'll ever get out, and it's really an awful redo on top of all the other issues. I also hate to see anyone get burned, but most especially when it's their first Parker.

[wayne goerres]

If you notice some of the photos are clear and some are not. Looks like he dilbrately tryed to hide certain features. You may have a problem. From the way he worded the discription it would be hard to say that he dilbratly miss lead anyone even though we all know he did. There is also nothing mentioned about a warrenty or a inspection. Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

[Michael Evernham]

It's too bad. I would really like a nice Parker 28.

I will deal with this guy. Does anyone have a nice 28 to sell?

[Dean Romig]

He states the gun is "Chambered" in 28 gauge. That immediately raises a flag with me.

[Bill Murphy]

He didn't picture the rib logo, he didn't picture the entire barrel flat, the part that was shown was blurred so the T marking couldn't be seen, the barrels are blued, masking the twist pattern, he didn't say that the gun was sleeved when it should have been obvious to him. Get it back to him immediately because I think he knew what he was selling, but kept it a secret. Let us know when the check arrives. This guy has had problems before.

[Bruce Day]

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[Dean Romig]

Bruce makes reference to "Chuck's research letter" in his post, but I don't find any research letter shown for this Parker. Where can we find the letter?

[Richard Flanders]

Send it back as fast as you can, period, and burn the sellers ears over the phone.

[David Yeatts]

Anyone note the serial # on the under lug is 36532. Wonder what else has been faked up on it?

[edgarspencer]

Anyone note the serial # on the under lug is 36532. Wonder what else has been faked up on it?

I don't think you're seeing it right. That's WAY before cocking hooks and that type of lug. Before hammerless actions too.

[Michael Evernham]

The seller agreed to take the gun back less Gunbroker.com fees. I will ship it back to him early next week.

[edgarspencer]

Count your blessings. It would piss me off to even have to pay his fees after such a gross misrepresentation.

[greg conomos]

Be glad all you'll be out are BG fees. Don't dally....

[Michael Evernham]

A big thank you to all those who responded to this post with so much great help and info.

[Scott Smith]

This thread is testament to the value of the Association and its members. Well done.

[Michael Evernham]

It sure is Scott. Definitely the kind of people I want to call friends. I am inquiring about lifetime membership.

[todd allen]

A gun like that would be okay, as long as it's safe to shoot, and not misrepresented by the seller. The price would need to reflect what it actually is, of course.
Might be a way for the average Joe to be able to afford a Parker 28 gauge.

[edgarspencer]

Might be a way for the average Joe to be able to afford a Parker 28 gauge.

Not after you spend upwards of $2k to make it right. The 'average Joe' would be better served with a Repro. The colors on that gun are flat out horrible.

[Bill Murphy]

A gun like that would never be "OK". It is a $150 piece of junk. A VH 20 with a set of 28 gauge Briley tubes, or a 28 gauge Repro, would be a much better way for an average joe to get into a 28 gauge Parker.

[wayne goerres]

Fortunatly you didnt have to learn the really hard way.

[todd allen]

Not after you spend upwards of $2k to make it right. The 'average Joe' would be better served with a Repro. The colors on that gun are flat out horrible.
Whoa, slow down just a little here. I never suggested paying more than this gun is worth, and for the record, I'm not in love with it either.
All I'm saying is that if bought for the appropriate price, it would be a cheap way into a 28 ga. Parker.

[Bill Davis]

I believe the sellers gets his fees credited back by gunbroker for a returned gun. On gunauction.com it works that way if you post a neutral feedback for the buyer indicating a return. You should check that out.

[edgarspencer]

I never suggested paying more than this gun is worth

Point taken. Todd, what do you think the gun, in it's present condition is worth, what it will take to make it right, and what do you think it will be worth when that's all done?

What I think it's worth is more generous than Bill; $500
What will it take to make it right? Remove the top rib and extension, put the barrels back on face, replace the top rib.Age the garish colors back so it wouldn't embarrass me to be seen with it. $2000-$2500 (Check with any of the barrel men like Kirk Merrington)
What do you have when it's all done? A sleeved bitsa, $500

[Jay Gardner]

The seller agreed to take the gun back less Gunbroker.com fees. I will ship it back to him early next week.

Why less the GB fees? You should not be out anything. The seller should eat the fees and take full responsibility. It's not the money it's the principle.

[wayne goerres]

I know of a fellow that they put in federal prison for five years for fakeing lugers. It is called forgery. The way this person worded his add it is reel close to that.

[Bill Murphy]

I would be glad to get anything back. This guy has a refusal to take a gun back in his feedback file and a couple of other conflicts.

[Kenny Graft]

Notify gun broker about the fee's not being refunded....send copy of his e-mail to them that says he is not refunding your money. I bet he gets the fee's removed from his account and relist the gun. I would wait till refund comes, then make him send your fee's withheld. That is just not right....SXS ohio

[Ed Blake]

When you get your refund, buy a nice 28 Repro. It will be money well spent.

[Kenny Graft]

Now that's great advice! Look for a two barrel set double trigger gun...sweet. About 5500.00 to 6500.00 They are way nice!, light on a true 00 frame approx. 5lbs-12oz

[Bill Murphy]

I don't think gunbroker has an inspection period as a mandatory part of a sale.

[ed good]

rule # 1 when buying anything by remote control...do not buy from people who do not have some kind of a written guarantee and return policy...sounds like you got lucky and will get most of your money back...this time.