Rainy day gun

[wayne goerres]

Here are some photos of the greener that came in yesterday. I got a slight surprise when I fired it. UNbenonced to me the gun has ejectors. The first time I opened it a shell caseing hit me in the forehead. Dose anybody know what the lettering on yhe bottom rib is.

[John Campbell]

Wayne:
A fine Facile Pinceps Greener indeed ! The inscription on the bottom rib seems to be "Durango Trading (?) (some acronym) Colo." Like: Durango Trading Company, [Durango] Colo.

Added here in the States, no doubt.

Otherwise the gun is reproofed in Birmingham for nitro loads. And the bores have been honed to at least .740. Original proofs were Birmingham.

If the gun has ejectors and they work, great. But if anything ever goes awry with Greener ejectors, it is imperative you send the gun to Greener for repair. Anyone else will muck them up.

And... I wouldn't take that gun out in the rain unless I had no other choice!

[George Stanton]

Awfully nice "rainy day" gun.

[Rick Losey]

must not rain much there - very nice

[charlie cleveland]

wish my rainy day gun looked that good... charlie

[King Brown]

The day, the gun, my choice rainy or not, at 82 what am I saving it for?

[John Campbell]

How about posterity?

By this philosophy, why not use the Mona Lisa for a door mat? What are we saving it for?

[Rick Losey]

How about posterity?

By this philosophy, why not use the Mona Lisa for a door mat? What are we saving it for?

i would agree with not abusing a gun,

but a gun is a gun and made to shoot.

while the Mona Lisa is meant to be a painting not a floor covering.

[charlie cleveland]

king i understand what you are saying...charlie

[wayne goerres]

Hope know one minds but I am going to use this old thread to post some pic's that were requested by a couple of forum members. My computer has a problem and I can't start a new thread. So here we go. W C Scott 8ga. 3 1/4" chambers 34"barrels.

[Eldon Goddard]

Wayne did you ever discover if it needs rejoining?

[wayne goerres]

It dosnt need rejointing. that would be for a gun that is off face. It dose have a loose top rib. I am sending it off for a complete restoration. I hope to get it shipped tomorrow, if the weather dos'nt go south on me.

[charlie cleveland]

you have a fine looking old 8 ga ..she looks like shes been hunted with and well taken care of...reckon how many geese and duck s she has put on the table..she s a fine old piece for sure..my old fa loomis and her look to be cousins of sorts except for the under lever..she will make a turkey gun for sure... charlie

[Dean Romig]

Wayne, do you know if that buttplate is original to the gun?

[wayne goerres]

It is a shame it is not 4" chambered but you cant have everything. Dean although the but plate fits the gun like it was made for it. I don't think it is the correct pad. Judgeing from my other scott hammergun it should probable be a steel butplate.

[will evans]

Wayne, did you just recently pick that one up? If so, I think I might have been following that one. At any rate, I saw an 8ga WC Scott recently online. I really liked the gun and thought it looked like a pretty good buy, but I don't know squat about the brand so I decided to see how long it would sit for my own future pricing knowledge. Wasn't very long. Sold on the second cycle. Just a week or two ago.

[wayne goerres]

Yes I did just buy it. You were probable looking at the same gun. If it hadn't been for one of the other forum members I would not have seen it. W C Scott is a quality English gun manufacturing company. I own two others and in my opinion they are fine guns. The gun was a bargain. It is getting really tough to come by 8ga doubles.

[John Campbell]

Wayne:
Don't count on that buttplate NOT being original. It looks correct. There's no rule that says it should be steel. I trust you sent the gun to a responsible 'smith for proper resto of an English gun.

[Dean Romig]

I asked about the buttplate because I have one that looks almost identical to that one on a 1936 GHE 16 ga in high original condition.

[wayne goerres]

I sent the gun to Brad Bachelder. He says he has a formula for casehardening Scotts that is as close as it can get. Brad says he will research the gun and make a determination on the but plate. He will then let me know. I am just not sure. I tried going on line and finding a pic of that plate, But no luck. Dose anybody have any ideas where I could look. The other guns I own do not say W C Scott on the plate. And they are original.

[John Campbell]

Wayne:
There seems to be an eagle in the center of the buttplate, surrounded by a band with some wording? What is that wording if there is any? Many Brit makers would try to tailor their wares to the US market tastes with such images and potentially some marketing jargon on the plate.

And... Why would you want to re-case that gun? No slight against Brad, who is a master 'smith, but I'd simply clean off the grungy patina of the action and re-brown the barrels along with a stock fresh-up. But that's just me. It's your gun.

[wayne goerres]

Well were going to case color it because some idiot blued the frame. As far as I can tell that isn't wording just little designs. I used a magnifier and couldn't make anything out of them. As far as the restoration if your going to refinish the barrels and refinish the stock I figure you may as well go all the way.

[Milton Starr]

Wayne glad to see the pictures of the 8 ga . sellers never can take as good as pictures as we can when we get them home it seems like lol . Beautiful gun hope you get some good memorys from it .
Im hoping to getting my 10 ga Edwinson green next month . Might get some restoration done on it since its actually worth something . Also I know where a hammerless 10 ga scott is if interested

[wayne goerres]

I already own a hammerless 10ga scot but thanks for keeping me in mind.

[Milton Starr]

Wayne got any plans to kill a turkey with the scott 8 ga ? I think here in Ga we can do that , im pretty sure . Wayne I seen your post on the belguim 8 gauge , did you know its the same model used in tremors he called it a "elephant gun " and was shooting conicals out of it which im sure would probably destroy the chokes .

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Tremors#William_Moore_.26_Co._8_gauge_shotgun

[wayne goerres]

No I never noticed it in tremors. I guess I will have to watch it again. My Belgium gun is cylinder bore and is not marked (not for ball). The scott is marked (not for ball). I have no way to measure choke for 8ga they may both be to open. My scott 10ga sure isn't. it is choked ex full and ex full.

[charlie cleveland]

wayne that 10 ga sounds like one of them guns that says if the right barrel don t get ya the left one will... charlie

[wayne goerres]

The difference between firing that Scott and firing one of my parkers is the difference between day and night. The Scott will kick the crap out of you even with 1oz light loads. I think it was made for hunting geese. I have spent the day trying to find a butt plate like the one on the Scott, with no luck. Anyone out there in parker land (also any fox ,Lefever or Else fans) know were I might find out were this plate belongs.

[Milton Starr]

wayne back when I used to shoot pumps my 12 ga I had custom chokes in was xxxx full or .650 which is .080" constriction . had a 10 ga .7000" choke which is .080" or so . got some pretty crazy shots with those tight chokes .
you could probably use a caliper to measure the chokes using the .835" bore diameter though it probably varies . Cant wait too see the scott once you get it restored . makes me want to get my barrels done too!

[wayne goerres]

This will be the first time (ever) that I let a smith work on one of my guns. I wish the good gunsmiths wor'nt so backed up. It will be 6 to 8 months before I see it again. Milton I could not get your link to work. Charlie are you getting an ice storm up there in Mississippi. I hope it missis us. Supposed to start here tonight.

[charlie cleveland]

were suppose toget some snow and maybe a little ice..we had about a quarter of and inch this morning of snow i made me some snow ice cream..will make more if bet you could fix that old scott we get the coupla inches they are saying we will get...hope nobody do nt get any ice... bet you could fix that old scott up your self.. charlie

[wayne goerres]

Unfortunatly when I moved here from Oregon I had to sell all of my equipment. My lathe my mill and welders all of it. I hope to replace it some day. The ribs on the old 8ga scott have to be resoldered. That means the barrels have to be disassembled and then resoldered. I have never attempted this before and this gun is valuable so this is not the place to start. Best to practice this sort of thing on a junker. If I can ever get my shop set up again I will start doing this stuff again. I saw three squirles out side my window today at the same time. They were playing in the leaves.

[Milton Starr]

turnbull offers the rib service I think its 600$ .
my bonehill may need to be sent in to have the action tightened up its not off-face its a loose up/down move moment instead of usual gap between receiver face and barrels .
If I don't get this car loan I will probably get my bonehill action tightened or not if the ec green is tight like the seller said . Wayne your sending the 8 ga to brad aren't you ? wont resoldering the ribs be part of his work ?

[wayne goerres]

Brad is doing the whole gun. It cost 1000.00 for Turnbull to resolder the ribs and rebrown the Damascus. That also include recutting the makers mark on the barrel. The gun is supposed to look like the day it cane off the factory floor.

[Milton Starr]

Its going to be a beautiful gun !
I want to get some work done by brad someday.
atleast the bluing on that scott probably protected the metal surface from pitting all these years ? my barrels on my 10 bore are grey ! wonder what theyd look like browned , hmm

[wayne goerres]

If done properly they will look great. With Damascus it is the same process for blueing or browning except for the boiling.

[charlie cleveland]

maybe i ought to load the little dog up and me and daisey come to your house to hunt squirls..don t look like the weather is going to break for a coupla days..youre right about not starting on a good gun like the scott to practice working with...them boys do nice work for sure..a fellow gona do my 8 ga parker barrels when i get the money.. their stub twist they should look good the fellow does good work by the pictures he sent me..i ve also got a d grade set of 20 ga damascus barrels that need a coupa dents removed andthe pattern brought back...is there no end to the things we would like to do and so little money to do it with.ha charlie

[wayne goerres]

Well there certainly isn't a shortage on squirrels here But the season may have ended the end of January. Otherwise you would be more than welcome. I have lots of room and we could hunt with the 8ga guns. Maybe we should use the 10s. They are a bit lighter. I bought a dent remover at the southern last year. It works pretty good. It was made by a fellow named Hostford I believe.

[charlie cleveland]

will your dent remover work on a 20 ga..they say the hosford tool is a good one..that would be a good hunt hunting with the 8 ga s i usally carry my chair with me useing the 8...maybe the ten s would carry better if there s much walking to do..charlie

[wayne goerres]

The last time I went I killed three squirrels within 50 yards of the back of my building. My dent puller will work on everything from 20ga to 10ga. I thought it did a fantastic job for something I had never tried before.

[Steve McCarty]

My rainy day gun is a Winchester Model 59. Plastic barrel, aluminum receiver, wood stock. Rain won't hurt it.

[Dean Romig]

Have you "Woolnerized" it?

[charlie cleveland]

why did nt the army know about this gun...ha my rainy day gun is about any thing i own but most times the old stevens wins out she has seen a many of a down pour and never gave it a thought... charlie

[Steve McCarty]

why did nt the army know about this gun...ha my rainy day gun is about any thing i own but most times the old stevens wins out she has seen a many of a down pour and never gave it a thought... charlie

I was told by an old gun nut friend, now deceased, that during the VN War GI's took Winchester Model 59s and cut them down for usage in the bush. They are strange shotguns, but I like mine. They're not to tough, and whippy, but still I take out mine for chukar and rough terrain hunting.