ponness warren questions

[wayne goerres]

Tryed loading some 12ga shells through my press today without much luck. I hace a brand new 2 1/2" in sizeing sleve for the press. I am haveing problems getting the shell out of the die. When you press it out it compresses the load alot. I am useing win aa cut to 2 1/2". win lite powder win wads and an over shot card. I am going to roll crimp. Dose anybody know wht I am haveing problems getting the shell out of the resizeing die. Will it harm anything if it compresses the load.

[wayne goerres]

Sorry I forgot to mention it is a ponness warren press

[John Hancock]

I have reloaded on PW machines since the late 70's and early on found that everything went better if I resized the hulls before reloading. Years ago used an old Texan resizer and for the last decade or so use the MEC resizer. I think that would help your situation a lot. Also, I only load brass head hulls. Hope this might help, JH

[Billy Gross]

What hull are you using? Some hulls are hard to re-size - particularly steel base ones. As John said above re-sizing before you put the hull into the PW should solve the problem. The MEC Super Sizer works nicely for this. Billy

[wayne goerres]

I am useing win. AA hulls. Was hopeing not to have to go to this much trouble. May just have to Buy another Mec. This Ponness Warren press wasn"t worth the money.

[Billy Gross]

Wayne - I have not heard of people having those problems with AAs. This problem does occur with Gun Clubs and the resizing does fix that problem. Something else must be wrong. I have an 800+ and love it for reloading in all 4 gauges. What model do you have? I personally consider the PWs far superior to the MECs. However, the PWs take a little more skill to set up properly for your load. The MECs work fine in almost all conditions. First, I recommend you contacting Whiz White:

Jim 'Whiz' White
5308 Timberline Trail
Rapid City, SD 57702
(605) 341-4412 V/F/A

http://www.swsupply.com/

whiz@swsupply.com

He is the best guy in the world on PWs. He regularly diagnosis and fixes problems over email.

If you get totally frustrated, Trapshooters.com or eBay is a good place to sell your unit.

Hope this helps,
Billy Gross

[Mark Garrett]

Not sure if I'm understanding what you doing , but it sounds like you are trying to push the hull out of the sizing die , after all components are loaded and before the hull in crimped , in order to roll crimp afterwards . Those machine are not designed to do that . You are putting alot of extra wad pressure on the load doing it that way , if that is what you doing ?

[Greg Baehman]

P-W reloaders feature full-length or near full-length re-sizing dies. Full-length re-sizing is precise and creates more friction to extract than the hull can take without being final crimped. P-W reloaders are not designed to extract the loaded hulls without being final crimped.

If it were me, I'd forget about roll-crimping. Instead I'd get myself a skiving tool to skive the hulls prior to reloading and then crimp them with the standard P-W 6 or 8 point crimp.

[Bill Murphy]

Two questions. What model of PW are you using? Are you fully crimping your shells or attempting to push them out of the die uncrimped as the previous poster suggests? However, I'm kind of a newby with the PW. I only own six and have only been using them for about fifty years.

[wayne goerres]

Hi Fellows sorry to be so long in responding but I am out of town. Yes I was wanting to roll crimp my shells. I am loadiing 2 1/2" 12ga for my hammer guns. I am roll crimping to help lower pressures. If I use a 6 or an 8 point crimp I wont be able to fit the load in the case.

[Mark Garrett]

If your loader has the short taper die you should be able to pull it out of the loader once the components are loaded and roll crimp , them place it back in and push the loaded round out ( maybe ) not sure if PW will push a roll crimped shell out without messing up the crimp , as they designed for fold crimping . It is worth a try , although it will be a slow process .

Or you can , as suggested before , resize with supersizer to the point where the hull will slide in the die freely , ad your components and slide the hull out by hand and roll crimp.

Or , as roll crimping does not reduce pressure enough to worry about , you could find a load that will fit with a fold crimp at the pressure you want and go that way , probably your best option .

Hope this helps

Mark

[Paul Harm]

Forget about roll crimping with the PW - it's not made for it. You want to roll crimp, buy a Mec. As stated, you should be able to find a load that's low enough without roll crimping. Most people roll crimp because they think it looks cool or period correct - and I'm one of them - but not to lower pressures. Granted, Sherman Bell has 10ga loads that have been pressure tested with a roll crimp, but that's about the only time I'd think someone would feel it's necessary to roll crimp. Good luck.