J.C. Green BHE

[Scott Janowski]

There is a great photo of J.C. Green with his BHE Skeet gun on E Bay # 390661509335
Check out the "Extra" Pair of eyes on his glasses LOL! I bet this guy was a Doozy!

Looks like the gun is listed on Guns International.

[CraigThompson]

Incidently Galazan either sold the two gun 4 barrel Green set , they were taken back by the owner or they just removed them from Guns International !

[Bill Murphy]

I imagine that Remington paid Cliff Green's entry fee to the Great Eastern that year. I am guessing that this is the same Cliff Green that was hunting with Nash Buckingham the day Nash lost Bo Whoop. I wonder what Cliff Green used for a duck gun? He was quite a waterfowler.

[Scott Janowski]

The gun is listed on GI as of this morning. GI#: 100376277

[Pete Lester]

The gun is listed on GI as of this morning. GI#: 100376277

http://www.gunsinternational.com/detail.cfm?gun_id=100376277

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

The last time I heard these guns were for sale the price was 350,000, I believe Hershel had them at one time, wonder what the price is now? Gary

[CraigThompson]

The gun is listed on GI as of this morning. GI#: 100376277

I had saved the original Galazan listing on GI on my laptop and when I viewed it yesterday it said sold .

Perhaps they killed it and relisted it .

[Bill Murphy]

I just want the little one. I wonder if I can hook up with someone who would like to have the big one? I have an ad in my files where Herschel was asking 250 large for them. I wonder who bought them or who has ever owned them. Obviously no one who ever gave a darn about sharing them with anyone down here in the trenches.

[Scott Janowski]

Heck I just want the glasses with the extra set of eyes on them! LOL! Bill did you ever research Mr. Greens averages? I wonder how he shot that thing?
I have all the Skeet reviews from No.1 to about 1966, and If you have not I may make it a winter project.
Scott

[Bill Murphy]

I have the average books for when Cliff was shooting. I think I discussed his averages on here a while back. They are a bit easier to access than the Skeet Shooting Reviews. I do not have anywhere near a full set of Skeet Shooting Reviews. He had some good days, but normally shot average scores. I have a postcard that he sent or was sent from the Nationals in Texas in 1949. One of the squad ran the 12 gauge event if I remember correctly. I will dig this stuff out and clarify my poor memory. He shot with the Sudlersville, MD Gun Club squad when they attended big shoots. That squad was a very high average group that included Joe George, Doctor Metcalf and a couple of other hotshots who continued to shoot and win in postwar years, some into the sixties. I wonder if the Sudlersville squad ever made the cover of SSR? I thought mine was the only Parker .410 Skeet Gun to make the cover. Maybe Cliff Green's .410 made it too. Keep us informed.

[Scott Janowski]

What issue is yoiur .410 on? I would like to see it!

[Bill Murphy]

Most of the artifacts, including the VHE .410 Skeet, on the cover of the August 2004 SSR, belong to me. The North-South souvenirs and vest patches from George Deyoe, are mostly mine also. The article that accompanies the cover explains a lot.

[CraigThompson]

The North-South souveniers and vest patches from George Deyoe, are mostly mine also.

I haven't shot the North South in almost 25 years .

I had heard they shut down the National Capital Gunclub and had to move or whatever . Is that true and are they still shooting the North South ?

I really enjoyed it when the North South was one weekend and the Great Eastern followed in Greenbelt the following weekend at what used to be the Beretta Club .

[Bill Murphy]

We are continuing the North-South shoot as the longest continuously running competitive NSSA skeet shoot in the world starting in 1934 and still going. It is being shot now at the Damascus Izaak Walton League fields in Mount Airy, Maryland. This shoot is a piece of history that includes the shooters as well as the founders, like William Harnden Foster. We are in "resting" mode now and are shooting five 50 bird events, instead of five 100 bird events. However, the competition and the spirit of skeet history is alive. In one of our first shoots at Mount Airy, a pump gun shooter won most of the honors with a 248 as I recall. He shot all events except for the .410 with a 28 gauge Model 12. He ran a straight 50 in the doubles event. I have been involved with the North-South since 1967, when I was club manager, and have been a member or participant at National Capital since 1958. In the early years of my "membership", they wouldn't accept dues payments from kids, so I rode the free wagon for a few years. I would like you to attend for lunch as my guest next June if you don't choose to shoot. The North-South still has good sponsors who make it, let's say, worthwhile to win a gun or class championship. We'll look for you in June.

[CraigThompson]

We are continuing the North-South shoot as the longest continuously running competitive NSSA skeet shoot in the world starting in 1934 and still going. It is being shot now at the Damascus Izaak Walton League fields in Mount Airy, Maryland. This shoot is a piece of history that includes the shooters as well as the founders, like William Harnden Foster. We are in "resting" mode now and are shooting five 50 bird events, instead of five 100 bird events. However, the competition and the spirit of skeet history is alive. In one of our first shoots at Mount Airy, a pump gun shooter won most of the honors with a 248 as I recall. He shot all events except for the .410 with a 28 gauge Model 12. He ran a straight 50 in the doubles event. I have been involved with the North-South since 1967, when I was club manager, and have been a member or participant at National Capital since 1958. In the early years of my "membership", they wouldn't accept dues payments from kids, so I rode the free wagon for a few years. I would like you to attend for lunch as my guest next June if you don't choose to shoot. The North-South still has good sponsors who make it, let's say, worthwhile to win a gun or class championship. We'll look for you in June.

Last time I shot at the old Damascus location I was on a squad with Ralph Petley , Bruce Evans , John Hannah and Rich Lawrey from Canada . If my memory serves Rich ran 100 in the 410 and won the Championship . Think I shot a 90 with the 410 . My one saving grace the whole weekend was beating Wayne Mayes in the 28 gauge I had a 98 and I think he was 93 or 94 . But I suppose you could say a bunch of folks outshot him in that gauge !
that was the first year I shot a good portion of the Mayes/Bender Tour ! That would have been 1990 or so I think as I shot my last registered birds in 1992 I believe at the Great Eastern in Richmond .


The first shoot that year I shot with those guys was at Bruce Evans place outside Winston Salem (this place was the old Bingham Parks Club). Think there were 50-55 shooters of which 35-40 were AA-AAA . We all shot AA and I tied for last in the HOA with a 390 , they had 3 4x4's at that little 5 field shoot !

Damn remmembering this stuff is making me wish I was young enough to go at it like I did back then :whistle:

[Rich Anderson]

Just as an FYI Wayne Mayes recently passed away. I believe he was in a bad car accisdent and the resulting injuries caught up to him. He was a great shot and I watched him run many a hundred. He shot doubles with I believe a Beretta auto but the tubed gun was a Kreighoff K-80.

[Bill Murphy]

Wayne actually succumbed to burn injuries he received in an accident involving the burning of surplus gunpowder.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, shooting with Ralph Petley must have been an interesting experience. I have known Ralph for many years and have "caught" a couple of his guns and let at least one pass me by because my hands were occupied by a clipboard and a pencil. I recently got word from a remote South American location that Ralph's wife Jean passed away. As you know, Jean was a saint and everyone loved her. It's too bad that Ralph had to vacate the NSSA skeet world.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, shooting with Ralph Petley must have been an interesting experience. I have known Ralph for many years and have "caught" a couple of his guns and let at least one pass me by because my hands were occupied by a clipboard and a pencil. I recently got word from a remote South American location that Ralph's wife Jean passed away. As you know, Jean was a saint and everyone loved her. It's too bad that Ralph had to vacate the NSSA skeet world.

It's like anything else in a lifetime when I say a good many of the people I enjoyed spending time with have passed or given up what they enjoyed ! I have a friend at Fairfax R&G that holds the worlds record I believe for number if registered targets shot . And I believe he's having a hell of a time pulling the trigger on his old 3200 now . You may or may not know Bob Myers but without a doubt he's one of THE finest gentleman I ever met thru shooting skeet . Same could be said for Willie Finch . But sorry to say Willie's been gone about ten years now I believe .

[CraigThompson]

Just as an FYI Wayne Mayes recently passed away. I believe he was in a bad car accisdent and the resulting injuries caught up to him. He was a great shot and I watched him run many a hundred. He shot doubles with I believe a Beretta auto but the tubed gun was a Kreighoff K-80.

Think the first time I ran across Mayes he was shooting that old light wood Winchester 1400 I believe think he called it Blondie . Yes u had heard he had passed from his burns .

[John Dallas]

When I saw the name "Willie Finch", I thought it was a typo for "Willie Flinch". What a great name for a trapshooter

[Scott Janowski]

I watched Wayne shoot off against Mike Schmidt at the Color Matrix shoot in Ohio 2009.
They were both shooting 12 gauge Beretta Autos. Wayne would change the choke in his gun for station 4. It was a flush choke and could change it between stations while he was walking and not miss a beat!

The amazing thing was his head never touched the stock and he would SMOKE both targets! His head was at least 1" off the stock!

[Rich Anderson]

Wayne Mays and Todd Bender won just about every two man event they ever entered and set many a record while doing it. Todd lost his wife about the same time Wayne passed, a double blow for him. I never tired of watching them shoot boubles and the birds never crossed the center stake. I need every inch of that field:eek:

[charlie cleveland]

craig you ve lived a life most of us only get to read about such as now..i m glad you and others are telling us about these great shooters.. charlie

[CraigThompson]

Wayne Mays and Todd Bender won just about every two man event they ever entered and set many a record while doing it. Todd lost his wife about the same time Wayne passed, a double blow for him. I never tired of watching them shoot boubles and the birds never crossed the center stake. I need every inch of that field:eek:


While they were certainly excellent at all facets of the skeet game my old now gone friend Willie Finch had this habit of walking out on the shootoff field after everyone was finished, barefooted with his 410 tubes in his over and under . Then he'd shoot doubles on station 4 from the hip both directions a couple times each and he typically never missed !

Last time I saw him do it he was in his early 70's !

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, Willie was quite a guy, both in Virginia and Florida, where he spent winters. He shot ATA trap in addition to competitive skeet. There is a field named for him at the Fairfax Rod and Gun Club.

[Rich Anderson]

One of the best shoot off I ever saw was between Ralph Petely and George Lear. They had both run their 100 with the 410 shot doubles run another 100 then went to Kentucky doubles (stations 3,4,5) and whatever George did Ralph was right behind him. Mostly the birds never crossed the center stake, then on station 4 George used every inch of the field to break his pair and Ralph attempted to do the same except he missed one. He stormed off the field in a huff, no congrats nada he just picked up his stuff and left.

[CraigThompson]

Yup, Willie was quite a guy, both in Virginia and Florida, where he spent winters. He shot ATA trap in addition to competitive skeet. There is a field named for him at the Fairfax Rod and Gun Club.

Yes he was ! I got accused of sand bagging once at a Fairfax ATA shoot . And that was when I was first coming up through the ranks . When I was coming up I'd get rather mad when I missed which in the long run caused me to miss more and after all was said and done it would screw my average . Anyway I went to Fairfax and was shooting 16 yard in C class and handicap at 22 yards . When I finished I had gotten a 98 at 16 and a 96 at handicap . Needless to say I got a couple prizes and the lady at the desk said I had sandbagged . Willie was standing there and told her he'd shot skeet with me for a few years and told her my little getting PO'd problem . She shut up gave me my winnings and a dirty look !

[CraigThompson]

One of the best shoot off I ever saw was between Ralph Petely and George Lear. They had both run their 100 with the 410 shot doubles run another 100 then went to Kentucky doubles (stations 3,4,5) and whatever George did Ralph was right behind him. Mostly the birds never crossed the center stake, then on station 4 George used every inch of the field to break his pair and Ralph attempted to do the same except he missed one. He stormed off the field in a huff, no congrats nada he just picked up his stuff and left.

George Lear was the guy I tied for low man in AA HOA at Bruce Evans Piedmont Open shoot outside Winston Salem . Except I think he spelled his last name Lehr .

[CraigThompson]

Over the years I think I was on a squad with Ralphie maybe 4 or 5 times . And I gotta say he was always tolerable .

[Scott Janowski]

It is spelled Lehr he is an NSSA Hall of Famer. I am fortunate to know George and have shot with him. He is a Class guy!

[Bill Murphy]

Years ago at the Salisbury, MD club, Ralph Petley was shooting his last round for 1000 straight in 12 gauge. A shooting buddy from my club was recruited to fill the squad and he was a chatter. On station 8 low house option, Ralph got a bird that Jesus couldn't have hit and sure enough, Ralph missed. He looked at the referee waiting for the "No Bird" which never came. My friend asked Ralph whether his presence on the squad had caused him to miss his thousandth bird. Ralph turned to him and gave him a dirty look and told him "No you didn't cause me to do anything." Ralph's wife was at the back of the field, too far away for him to throw his gun and have her catch it, so he reluctantly held onto the Beretta and walked to his truck.

[John Davis]

Bill, interesting post you dug up.

[Bill Murphy]

I'm digging up posts that include the Cliff Green Parkers so Craig can relive the "Old Days". There are a bunch of them.

[CraigThompson]

I'm digging up posts that include the Cliff Green Parkers so Craig can relive the "Old Days". There are a bunch of them.

I hate to say it but I’m old enough now that I just might appear in some of the old NSSA pictures . Christ it’s been thirty years since I shot my last registered skeet targets . :crying:

[CraigThompson]

Years ago at the Salisbury, MD club, Ralph Petley was shooting his last round for 1000 straight in 12 gauge. A shooting buddy from my club was recruited to fill the squad and he was a chatter. On station 8 low house option, Ralph got a bird that Jesus couldn't have hit and sure enough, Ralph missed. He looked at the referee waiting for the "No Bird" which never came. My friend asked Ralph whether his presence on the squad had caused him to miss his thousandth bird. Ralph turned to him and gave him a dirty look and told him "No you didn't cause me to do anything." Ralph's wife was at the back of the field, too far away for him to throw his gun and have her catch it, so he reluctantly held onto the Beretta and walked to his truck.

I shot with Ralphie several times . Bruce Evans , Rick Lowery , John Hannon ( my 2 man team partner). And Alton Jones from the Talbot Gunclub shot with us some . All jokes aside Ralphie came across when you first met him as rather abrasive , but after you got to know him he really could be a pretty decent guy . I wonder if he and John Jisona are still above ground ?

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, John Jisona moved south and passed this life a few years ago. I lost contact with Alton Jones some years ago. If there was ever a bar that I was reluctant to enter, if I were with Ralph Petley, all of my fears would vanish.

[Garry L Gordon]

I shot with Ralphie several times . Bruce Evans , Rick Lowery , John Hannon ( my 2 man team partner). And Alton Jones from the Talbot Gunclub shot with us some . All jokes aside Ralphie came across when you first met him as rather abrasive , but after you got to know him he really could be a pretty decent guy . I wonder if he and John Jisona are still above ground ?

There’s gotta be a great book in all of this. Sad to think so much could be lost

[Bill Murphy]

OK, just for Craig, another Ralph Petley story that I have told before. This was also at Salisbury gun club. I was refereeing on about field number four, just to the right of the clubhouse. Ralph was on station one of the first round. He called for his first bird and missed it clean. Now Ralph is used to having his wife close at hand when things get tough. This is so she can catch his gun if he throws it. She was no where near when Ralph missed that high one. As soon as I said "Lost, option high.", his 682 Beretta went sailing past me at eye level. Since Ralph and I go back a long way, he thought I was going to catch it. Wrong. I let it go by and watched it land about thirty some feet beyond where I was standing. In today's world, he would have been ejected from the shoot, but back then, it was just another day.

[Reggie Bishop]

Who has the Cliff Green Parkers currently?

[CraigThompson]

Who has the Cliff Green Parkers currently?

Galazan

[CraigThompson]

OK, just for Craig, another Ralph Petley story that I have told before. This was also at Salisbury gun club. I was refereeing on about field number four, just to the right of the clubhouse. Ralph was on station one of the first round. He called for his first bird and missed it clean. Now Ralph is used to having his wife close at hand when things get tough. This is so she can catch his gun if he throws it. She was no where near when Ralph missed that high one. As soon as I said "Lost, option high.", his 682 Beretta went sailing past me at eye level. Since Ralph and I go back a long way, he thought I was going to catch it. Wrong. I let it go by and watched it land about thirty some feet beyond where I was standing. In today's world, he would have been ejected from the shoot, but back then, it was just another day.

I was at Arrowhead in Chase City VA one year for the spring shoot . Donnie Parks was there and we were making small bets each gauge between us . He had won two I only one with the 12 coming up . A downpour ensued and he wouldn’t shoot . I went out and broke a 100 straight in the 12 gauge event shooting a 20 . So I rolls in the clubhouse check the score board and think I’m home free for HOA I was at 394 . So I’m sitting there drinking a Bass and talking to Orel Lynheart who at the time was the chief referee in VA . Tom Contrucci walked in with his buddy who had also got the hundred and tied me for HOA . Now Ida been dead in the water out , but thirty years ago Orel told me to set the bottle down and get my damn gun . And by some stroke of luck I beat him at doubles with the 410 . One of my few mediocre claims to fame lols !

[Dave Noreen]

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/parker-bhe-grade-sxs-j-cliff-green-matched-pair-four-barrel-set-410ga-28ga-20ga-12ga-24-barrels-make-offer-.cfm?gun_id=102067887

[CraigThompson]

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/parker-bhe-grade-sxs-j-cliff-green-matched-pair-four-barrel-set-410ga-28ga-20ga-12ga-24-barrels-make-offer-.cfm?gun_id=102067887

You know if I were of the means to buy that set I’d most likely shoot registered skeet again for a year or two with the set ! Very few if anyone shoots regular NSSA targets with a side by . And certainly not 24” guns .

[Garry L Gordon]

You know if I were of the means to buy that set I’d most likely shoot registered skeet again for a year or two with the set ! Very few if anyone shoots regular NSSA targets with a side by . And certainly not 24” guns .

Have you ever tallied the money you have tied up in all of your guns? Don't do it!:corn:

[CraigThompson]

Have you ever tallied the money you have tied up in all of your guns? Don't do it!:corn:

I’m pretty sure if I sold all I had for 10% more than what I’ve got in them I’d not have enough for the 1/4 mill they want for the set .

[Garry L Gordon]

I’m pretty sure if I sold all I had for 10% more than what I’ve got in them I’d not have enough for the 1/4 mill they want for the set .

Hmmm...I wonder how many would be surprised to find they had enough in their collection to buy such a set?

[Reggie Bishop]

The plus 10% would be a challenge.

[Garry L Gordon]

The plus 10% would be a challenge.

How true, how true. Now if it was less 10% (or more:crying:):rotf::rotf::rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Hmmm...I wonder how many would be surprised to find they had enough in their collection to buy such a set?

I have a friend in INDIANA who will remain nameless , that keeps telling me to buy one 15K gun rather than three 5K guns . I have a hard time wrapping myself around that concept . Heck of a lot easier pulling the trigger for the 5 and under ones rather than the over 10k guns .

[Garry L Gordon]

I have a friend in INDIANA who will remain nameless , that keeps telling me to buy one 15K gun rather than three 5K guns . I have a hard time wrapping myself around that concept . Heck of a lot easier pulling the trigger for the 5 and under ones rather than the over 10k guns .

There is much wisdom in INDIANA.:whistle:

[Randy G Roberts]

There is much wisdom in INDIANA.:whistle:

That Jeff's a smart fella for sure :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

That Jeff's a smart fella for sure :whistle:

Yes he is ! But you ain’t no slouch either :cool: