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Robin Lewis
06-22-2013, 02:13 PM
Stopped at the mail box as I drove into the house today and found the latest issue of Parker Pages, nice surprise.

When I shut down the motor I opened it and ended up reading the "WHATCHAMACALLIT PARKER" by Lee Moege before I got out of the truck. Great read and it looks like there is more good stuff to read later tonight.

Rick Losey
06-22-2013, 05:52 PM
yes

got mine yesterday, finished f it this morning with coffee.

Dean needs to use bigger words so it will last longer :whistle:


thanks to all that contributed - nice issue once again

although i am missing pictures 5 thru 37 of the whatchamacallit article

charlie cleveland
06-22-2013, 06:00 PM
got my parker pages about noon today lots of good stories espically a good articule ongun barrels...have done read it from cover to cover... good job fellows...thanks charlie

Bill Murphy
06-22-2013, 08:10 PM
Got mine in Maryland today. Wonderful, especially the reprint of the barrel making article. If we can reprint something that any of us could have found on google.com, like I found the barrel making article, why can't we reprint some of the great research material that we have in the PGCA collection? We all know it's there, but it is part of the "Black Hole of Curatorship". I know it's there because I've seen it and our present Research Committee has made it clear that the BOD must free it up for it to be published in The Parker Pages.

Chuck Bishop
06-22-2013, 09:45 PM
We all know it's there, but it is part of the "Black Hole of Curatorship". I know it's there because I've seen it and our present Research Committee has made it clear that the BOD must free it up for it to be published in The Parker Pages.

I'm not quite sure you interpreted me correctly Bill. My instructions are that if someone is writing an article for publication, I'm allowed to scan the appropriate Order or Stock books for the article, whether it's for the Parker Pages or some other magazine. What I'm not allowed to do is include a scan of the Stock or Order Book pages and include it in with a research letter.

I'm sure if I'm incorrect in this statement, the BOD will correct me.

Dave Suponski
06-22-2013, 10:30 PM
You found them Bill? Then why for heavens sake didn't you clear the copy right and submit the article to Parker pages like I did? And Chuck you are correct.

Mills Morrison
06-22-2013, 10:52 PM
Bill, we need an article about your CH Bernard two barrel set.

Bill Murphy
06-23-2013, 09:51 AM
Dave, I outed the American Machinist barrel article on the forum on February 20, in a thread titled "Variations in Ribs", told all readers how to find the article. Could that have been how you found it?

Bill Murphy
06-23-2013, 10:02 AM
Chuck, I am not asking that PGCA publish the order or stock books in the Parker pages. I was referring to other Parker research material, like the interesting correspondence that has been locked in the "Black Hole" since the nineties.

Robin Lewis
06-23-2013, 12:47 PM
I was referring to other Parker research material, like the interesting correspondence that has been locked in the "Black Hole" since the nineties.

Ok, so the PGCA has correspondence hidden in a "Black Hole" which you seem to know about? I don't know what you are talking about and if its in a "Black Hole", I suspect I will not be learning about it anytime soon.

Would you enlighten us as to what exactly you are referring?

Bill Murphy
06-23-2013, 12:59 PM
Robin, funny you should ask. Among items that PGCA has in its collection is a collection of Parker correspondence that Chuck received from the Board of Directors not long after he took over his Research Committee job. Ron Kirby and I and others went over this interesting group of papers years ago and discussed possibly making it available to the members. It never happened. The "Clown Catalog" in our collection is another piece of Parker history that hardly anyone has ever seen. Ed Muderlak offered to copy that catalog and make it available to members, but the BOD famously refused to allow that. Kevin McCormack and I were nearly finished with a very interesting research project that would have been shared with members. The BOD refused to let us examine a few records to complete our project. It remains unfinished. I'm sure there are other examples of the "Black Hole of Curatorship" if you are interested.

Bruce Day
06-23-2013, 01:14 PM
The "Black Hole" referenced above is neither black nor a hole.

It is a PGCA owned white cargo trailer kept in a storage shed. Drop lights are used for illumination if a person needs to find something in it, like some of the things we take to the PF and NRA exhibitions or get sent out for the PGCA meetings. A person has to be careful or he will whack his head stepping in and out of the trailer.

I have seen the PGCA owned Clown cover catalog and its a very high condition one. if copies were made of it then I could get an original when the values fell for a lot less than they sell for now when they rarely come up for sale. The unhappy people would be the owners of the rare originals who bought at high price. Maybe they might have some concerns about inexpensive reproductions. Until I saw the original, I had to look at the one in The Parker Story. We had a cover reproduction at the 2013 NRA show in Houston if people were interested, but it didn't draw any attention.

Bill Murphy
06-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Bruce, values for originals do not fall when reproductions are made. End of story. I didn't understand any of the other points you were trying to make either. There is a "Black Hole of Curatorship" in the PGCA and we all know it. Ed Muderlak was not everyone's friend, but he was right about a lot of things. The Black Hole was one of them.

Bruce Day
06-23-2013, 04:26 PM
The Parker Clown Cover Catalog is no different inside than other contemporary Parker catalogs. If people want to see the cover, its in TPS and we displayed it at the NRA show where 87,000 people saw it, or at least had an opportunity to see it.

Bill Murphy
06-23-2013, 06:57 PM
Bruce, give it up. Ed Muderlak was right. It isn't about the Clown Catalog, it's about the Black Hole. Now that we have a slightly different BOD than in previous years, things could change, slightly. Although the present board members are friends of mine, they have not cleared up the problems of the past. I have high hopes for the future of PGCA. Don't wave what you are doing for PGCA in front of me. I and a couple of my PGCA fellow members have been doing it for years, with no support or thanks from the Board of Directors. Thank you for what you are doing, but my fellow members and I would be doing the same thing if the Board of Directors had given us some support or thanks. The support and thanks didn't happen but we are still out there trying.