parker P grade 8 gauge

[aaron hackenmueller]

Wondering if you can help me post a picture of my 8gauge. Thanks

[Phillip Carr]

I would be happy to assist if you wish to send the pictures to me at coues3pt@gmail.com I will post them for you.

Phil

[Phillip Carr]

Aaron's wonderful old Parker 8 gauge.

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[Dean Romig]

What a beast of a Parker! Please tell us more about it... measurements etc.

Those barrels look like 40 inches :eek:

[Bill Murphy]

What are the barrel lengths? Is this gun really marked P? It must be a late serial number to have that mark. What is the number?

[Eldon Goddard]

That frame looks small next to those barrels. I wonder what frame size it is.

[aaron hackenmueller]

This gun was lettered 10 years ago by Ronald Kirby from original records. It has 34inch barrels and the frame is a 7. I have all the antique 8 ga. Reloading eguipment for it including about 10 winchester leader 8 gauge paper shells that are high brass. Barrels retain a really nice damascus twist pattern and wood is very good. Case colors i can find only here and there. Can anyone tell me how many they made and how much insurance coverage i need, thank you all so much! I believe the serial is 32xxx.

[Bill Murphy]

Grade Zero top action hammer eight gauges, 70 made, 32 of them were 34" guns. If your gun is truly a P grade or Grade 1, 72 of them were made in eight gauge, and 29 were 34". Can you tell us about your PGCA letter, where your gun was shipped, and what Mr. Kirby said about the grade. These guns are worth thousands of dollars, details of condition dictating how many thousands. Your gun looks like a nice one. I have a Zero grade 34" top action eight gauge, but would like another. You can't have enough eights.

[charlie cleveland]

please tell us more about your 8 ga...it looks to be in good shape..do you shoot the 8 ga any..they are fun to shoot or hunt with..theres been a lot ofd discusion here about these old guns..we never get tierd of talking or hearing about another one... charlie

[Brian Dudley]

What is the weight of your 8ga hammer? The last one I handled was about 16 lbs. what a monster!

[aaron hackenmueller]

Well, it was ordered from baucher bros. In june 1883. The letter is at my parents but he said it is a P hammerless? The hammers added later or is it a mistake. Weighs almost 15 lbs., plain twist barrels-did they stamp the grade on this gun and where can i find it, 90% of case colors under forearm and some by barrel lug. Bore has some minor pitting but definately shootable. Hasnt been shot since1967. All proofs are nice on goes back to1875. I wish i knew more. Is the grade of the shotgun stamped on the lug where the frame size stamp is? Confused.

[Bill Murphy]

If the grade is stamped, it will be stamped on the water table of the action. Before worrying much about other details, get the letter and the gun in one place and tell us what you see. The "proofs" you refer to are probably patent dates which don't tell a lot about an individual gun. A 15 pound eight gauge would be an exceptionally heavy Parker. Your gun, if characteristic of the gauge, would more likely weigh from 11 to 12 1/2 pounds.

[aaron hackenmueller]

The letter says 14 lbs 8ozs. As far as memory goes i dont think anything is stamped on watertable. Along with the 7 stamped on the lug there is also a 2 in a circle.

[Chuck Bishop]

If you give me the serial number, maybe I can clear up the confusion on grade. If you don't want the serial number made public, e-mail me at pgcaresearch@verizon.net

[Phillip Carr]

A picture of 8 gauge Winchester shell from Aaron

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[Bill Murphy]

14-8 is a heavy Parker eight.

[charlie cleveland]

just the rite weight to tame those big loads of shot...the barrels must weigh close to 10 lbs ...bills right about most parker 8 ga weigh in around 12 to 12 1/2 lbs...me i like them heavy weight guns..do you know the chamber lengths..hope you have 4 inch but this is rare most are 3 1/4 inch..the 2 old parkers i have are 3 1/4 and the old f a loomis is 3 1/2 inch...i seen a modern day single barrel 8 ga the other day on auction site that was listed with a 4 1/2 inch chamber....charlie

[aaron hackenmueller]

It states in the letter 14 lbs and some odd ounces. All i can,say is it's a beast. I just leave it broken down in the safe. Is there anything i should know about proper cleaning? Thanks.

[Bill Murphy]

Keep it rubbed down with an oily rag. When you find time, try to scrub the bores out with some oil soaked steel wool on the end of a long dowel. I would tell you to use a bronze brush, but such brushes are hard to find that large. As long as you get brown oil on the steel wool, you have rust in the barrel. Take your time and be thorough. We would like to know more about your letter. Our researcher is looking it up, but may not share with us. Where is Baucher Brothers and is that the correct spelling?

[Chuck Bishop]

Stay tuned, I'm looking it up!

[Chuck Bishop]

Aaron sent me the serial number, thanks Aaron!

What you have is a Quality R, Top Action hammergun in 8 gauge with 34" barrels. If you want to give it a number grade, it's a grade 0, the lowest grade gun Parker made.

How did I determine the above? The Order Book doesn't give the grade but gives clues. The clues are barrel steel, grip type, and price. In this case, it lists the barrels as P.T. (plain twist), capped (grip style), and the price of $95.00. Next we go to the Stock Book which lists the barrel steel as P.T. which we know from the Order Book. On higher grades it usually gives a grade number along with the barrel steel but with P.T.'s it doesn't so no help there. It also lists it as a Top Action gun so obviously Ron Kirby's letter is wrong! The rest of the Stock Book lists the dimensions and weight as 8 gauge, 34" barrels, 2 3/4 DAH, 14 1/4 LOP, weight 14 1/4 pounds.

So how did I come up with a Quality R? You have to go to the Parker Price lists from the year the gun was made and find the grade corresponding to the price listed in the Order Book. We don't have a price list for 1884 but we do for 1882 and 1886 and the listings are the same. Parker at this time charged an additional $35.00 for an 8 gauge gun over the price for a 10 gauge gun. I took $95.00 which is what is in the Order Book and subtracted $35.00 for the 8 gauge barrels, that left $60.00. The 10 gauge gun that listed for $60.00 was the Quality R. Aaron, send my your address and I'll type up a new research letter for you.

[aaron hackenmueller]

It is long gone merchandiser from Minneapolis, mn. Not sure if i spelled it right.

[aaron hackenmueller]

Thank you so much, can you give me an approx. Value of the gun. I need to get it insured. Thank you.

[charlie cleveland]

you can get a 8 ga bronze bore brush off ebay about 7.00 dollars polus shipping i seen it last nite...just punch in 8 gauge bore brush on there... i m gonna get me one... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Maybe Chuck can give us a correct spelling for the dealer so we can start some research. Value is contingent on details of condition, which means pictures and more pictures, also more pictures of the bores. If you wish to sell, join PGCA and post on the for sale forum. Insurance value? Maybe $4000 or $5000. That's about what they would pay you, regardless of what you insure it for. Don't waste your money, just keep it locked up.

[Dean Romig]

Aaron, if you get a written appraisal from a legitimate auction house of note or a known expert in the appraisal of fine arms an insurance company would be compelled to insure it for its collector value (at a premium determined by the insurance company) - which could be well above the value Mr. Murphy has suggested would be an insurance pay off amount.

[Phillip Carr]

My R Grade 8 gauge on a 7 frame with 36" Twist barrels weighs 13 lbs. 6 oz. Just got it back yesterday from Brad putting it back on face. Looking forward to July 1 when Arizona law to allow the use of an 8 gauge goes into effect. The 8 gauge, and my Burnham Brother J1 call have a date with some coyotes.

[aaron hackenmueller]

Nice!

[charlie cleveland]

look out coyotes... what load do you plan on useing for these varmints...no 4 buck is good coyote medicene... ARRON you gots to hurry up and tell us how that old 8 ga shoots....charlie

[aaron hackenmueller]

As long as my parents are around it will have to remain in the safe. Because of value, rareity, and family value unfortunately they wont let me shoot it. I always have my imagination I guess sorry guys.

[Phillip Carr]

Charlie,

I will use some #2 That Tom Armbrust loaded for me awhile back.

[charlie cleveland]

them no 2 s are good ..boy old tom loads a fine shell..he s loaded some for me really nice fellow....

[Bill Zachow]

Collector value and replacement cost, in my opinion and based on 30 plus years of observing and buying Parker 8 gauges, would be about double Mr. Murphy's suggestion. Many more and better close up pictures would make it much easier to place a more exact value on the gun. From the pictures shown, I would state that it appears to be in much better condition than the average hammer 8.

[greg conomos]

I agree with Bill Zachow on the price level.

But I have to say...my eyes could be wrong but that LOP doesn't look like it's 14" +. I know the big frames skew appearances but I still wonder if the stock has been cut down.

[Bill Murphy]

I concur, that if the gun is clean, unrusted, and original, with unpitted bores, the gun would be worth what Mr. Zachow suggests.

[aaron hackenmueller]

The stock hasnt been touched its been in a parlor closet for the last 100 years. NOTHING has been altered or replaced.

[Phillip Carr]

More pictures I have asked Aaron to provide more detail pictures of the water table barrel flats, etc. Hopefully we will get these shortly.

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[Phillip Carr]

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[aaron hackenmueller]

Phil did I send you 8 pics or only those two. Let me know so i can send the rest for some reason you didnt get them. :)

[aaron hackenmueller]

I'll send you the rest of the pictures tomorrow to post thank you.

[aaron hackenmueller]

Phil, i sent you the rest of the pics of the 8, tried to get the best shots with the time i had. Thanks to all members for your time and info on this big guy. I didnt have time to take one of the bore but it has some mod. Pitting toward breech end thats it. I also measured the chambers they're 3.25 in. long. And LOP is 14.25 from toe to trigger. Well gotta hit the machine shop bye all.

[Phillip Carr]

More Pictures.

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[Phillip Carr]

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[aaron hackenmueller]

Oops now i realized i shouldnt of used a flash. Im just not used to these fandageled gadgets eh! When i have more time to kill i'll take some outside in natural light with closer views of waterline and so forth. :)

[Phillip Carr]

Well it just keeps getting better. Aaron sent me two more pictures to post. Included was a picture of the other family gun a Winchester Model 1873 in the 44-40 caliber also made in 1884. Aaron also shared a little bit on his Grandfather. I asked if it was OK to share and he said it was. Here it is.
It belonged to my great grandpa Seanger a German immigrant who started a flour milling business around 1880 in Hanover, MN. All we have is a box full of Bridgeport loading tools and about 10 8 ga high brass paper leader shells but there missing the primers. He died in 1945 and its been locked in a parlor closet ever since. I picked it up when my grandpa Hackenmueller died in 1994.


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[charlie cleveland]

boy oh boy..two very desireable guns youre grandpa sure knew his guns... charlie

[charlie cleveland]

arron with all that reloading equipment you can be able to load up some new loads for your 8 ga.. i have some hulls in my collection like yours but do not have any reloading equipment like yours.the old reloading equipment in 8 ga is very scarse stuff... charlie

[Eldon Goddard]

Two wonderful guns to have as family heirlooms. The Parker is really something but the Winchester is icing on the cake. One day Charlie you will find a parker 8 with 4'' chambers.

[aaron hackenmueller]

I only cleaned up those tools with a little oil, hopefully someday I'll have the time to reload and shoot that puppy. Does anyone know how many 8 gauges that have been found and documented?

[Bill Zachow]

Of the approximate 400 eights made by Parker (mostly composite barreled), I have seen about 60. Yours is the first one I have seen with the reloading tools. As Charlie said, those are extremely scarce--scarcer than the guns, in my opinion.

[aaron hackenmueller]

We also have the actual 8 ga. Hand loader when i get back from salmon fishing I'll take a picture of that too. Have a good one eh!

[Dean Romig]

Aaron, where are you going for salmon?

[Bill Murphy]

The Parker Story lists 378 eight gauges in the extrapolated totals in the Grades section in Volume 1. I didn't count the actual number of eights listed in the Appendix in Volume 2, which only lists the eights found in the existing records. The Appendix total should only be a few fewer than the extrapolated totals. The Grades section lists 90 zero grades, 94 grade 1, 138 grade 2, 48 grade 3, 4 grade 4, and 4 grade 5. At least one eight gauge has been upgraded to A-1 Special. At least one has been converted to a floor lamp. At least one, probably a few more, have been factory rebarrelled to ten gauge or twelve gauge. A few more have probably been lost at sea or in land based storms, or been lost to rust and neglect. At least one and probably a few more are in Great Britain or Western Europe. A few more are probably in the Orient. Parker sold a few as whalers or as other seagoing tools, and no one can predict what became of them.

[aaron hackenmueller]

Lake Michigan, at Port Washington-not much on fishing but weve been catching em here and there.

[aaron hackenmueller]

http://8 ga. Handloader This is the 8 ga. Handloader crimper. Exc. Shape attic cond. Can anyone tell me how to use it? Thanks everyone.

[charlie cleveland]

the pictures would not come thru for me..i ve got a super old cumputer maybe be the reason... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

Aaron sent me these last night to post, I am running a little behind today.

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[Phillip Carr]

Sorry pictures came upside down. I think this is why Aaron has some confusion on Model and weight, etc. Letter states what he has been quoting.

[charlie cleveland]

that roll crimper in 8 ga gota be one rare bird..this is my first to see even in a picture..sir you have some nice collectibles with that 8 ga.. charlie

[aaron hackenmueller]

Thanks charlie, all tools are in exc. Shape they were found not to long ago in grandmas attic in a shoe box. I just took some old rags and a little oil and wiped them down.

[Jack Kuzepski]

Charlie,

I have a M. Hartley & Co. catalog reprint from 1903 (I think) and it shows all kinds of reloading, cleaning equipment, accessories, shells, components and guns of different makers. They list the gauges and prices of each of these items. The 8 gauges are listed with all of the others just priced higher.

Jack Kuzepski

[charlie cleveland]

jack im really glad you posted about the 8 ga stuff...until now ive never seen or heard of the 8 ga roll crimper i honestly thought they must have never made them..what the price of that 8 ga roll crimper in 1903..and how much higher was it than the other gages... thanks jack.... charlie

[aaron hackenmueller]

Where can I find out what these tools are and what there purpose is? I am going to try and reload those 8 ga. Leader shells some day.

[Lloyd Bernstein]

There is an 8 gauge reloading press on ebay

I'm sure someone would be interested in. (It's not mine)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Gauge-Shotgun-Reloading-oaPress-/380661240751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58a12d93af

Lloyd

[Bill Murphy]

Did anyone here buy the ebay reloader? The seller's measurements suggested that it may be a ten gauge loader.

[charlie cleveland]

i bid on it and lost but im with you bill i think it was a ten ga ....if it turns out to be a 8 ga i ll be sorry i did not go higher... charlie

[wayne goerres]

Guys I took the plunge. Winning bid was 51.00 dollars. Hope it is an 8ga or I blue 74.00 dollars with shipping. Hope it was worth the risk.

[Eldon Goddard]

I would to know if it turns out to be an 8 as well I followed it but gave up when it passed 30.00 bucks. Hopefully you will give us an update when it arrives.

[wayne goerres]

The mans discription was all over the place. He was just going by what he was told. If his measurement of .875 across the shell is anywhere near correct than it is an 8ga. At least that is my opion.

[charlie cleveland]

wayne hope it turns out to be a 8 ga for you..im the guy that bid up to 50.. charlie

[Phillip Carr]

I Bid on the reloader right away then started researching. I sent the seller this web site so he could check the measurements.
http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/shotshellloads.html

I was sent back this from the seller , and decided to pass.

"According to the conversion charts 7/8 is .775, the press shell holder is 15/16th which converts to .8, 1 inch converts to .85, so I would guess it is a 8 gauge, since a 10 gauge is .775 of an inch"

I too would like to know if the reloader turns out to be for an 8 gauge. If so can you share better pictures.

[wayne goerres]

Im probable getting stuck with a piece of junk. If I had of known you were Bidding I would not have bid.

[Phillip Carr]

That's OK, I quit bidding once I thought it was an 10 gauge. I almost bought it thinking I might be able to convert it. Really even if it is a 10 gauge you did not pay to much in my opinion. At the price of 10 gauge shells savings can add up pretty quick.

[Bill Murphy]

He referred to the shell holder diameter as 15/16". I emailed him that 15/16" is exactly the dimension of a ten gauge shell base. He replied to me, but didn't mention this in the ad. The dimension of an eight gauge shell base is one inch when it has the industrial base intact. The seller must have gone to "Funny School" where one inch converts to .85 as Phillip posts.

[charlie cleveland]

it still a interesting loader whether 8 ga or ten ga..remember the unusal markings seller discribed...you know in tom arbrusts book he talks of a fellow who made 8 ga presses out of the 600 junior loader...i called the man and he said he no longer made them.i for one would be interested in one if price was not too high... a good machinest good make them if he had the tools... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

Charlie I am with you. Would love to have a conversion kit for an 8 gauge. I have an extra 600 just waiting to be converted. Also Charlie when you start shooting the Ball loads out of the 8 gauge I would really like to here more about this. I will be able to hunt all big Game in AZ now with the 8 with the exception of Bison. I would like to take a cow elk and a deer with mine.

[charlie cleveland]

phil i will let you know before long about the round ball load...boy you talking the good stuff..taking a elk with the 8 ga would be something.... charlie

[wayne goerres]

This person was really messed up. 7/8 in is .875 not .775. He could not possible measure the rim diameter with a tape measurer. I am kind of relieing on the fact that he was told it was an 8ga not any of his measurements. Probable neither one of these fellows new what they are talking about. But it is worth the risk for 51.00.

[Phillip Carr]

Wayne, If it turns out to be a 10 and you do not want it, I am sure you can sell it here.

Charlie, I have the 8 gauge bug bad. I will send in next year for a cow permit in AZ as well as New Mexico. I think this would be a great 8 gauge hunt. I have shot a number of elk with a rifle and a Bow under 40 yards. I can not hunt elk with the 8 this year in AZ because I drew an Archery Bull tag for Unit 10 in AZ. One of, the if not the premier units for taking a trophy bull during the rut. I will set up a camp and take the full 2 week season if needed.

[charlie cleveland]

the 8 ga bug is a bad bug to have..i ve had it since i heard about the big guns...now you have got me excited about the hunt...you will need to get a note book and keep up with the details...this will make for a great storey..i can see that elk now in the parker pages with all the details...ya know tom armbrust s friend took a big bull buffalo with a big 8 ga double rifle a few years back... i can see that big 8 ga leaned up against that elk rite now.. which gun have you chosen for the big hunt...you will have to measure the muzzle end real good and have amould made for that size..a fellow in england made my mold he makes them out of brass ..quality piece of work andputs your name oin it..think i gave about 55 dollars shipping and all... yep think i still got the fever too... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

I will use my Parker 8 gauge. My W C Scott and Son says not for Ball. I think with the right mold I could make it work. The Parker has heavier barrels so that would be the gun I would use. Only 5 more days and I will try to shoot a few Coyotes. Watched a coyote pacing back and forth around a antelope fawn and mother last week when we went out to train. Ran him off, but wish I would have had my 218 Bee with me. Fawn was getting pretty big from when we had seen it a month ago. Hope he makes it.
Charlie if you can email me the information on the mold maker that would be wonderful.

[charlie cleveland]

will send info on mould maker..may take a little while for me to find it..somebody here on the site gave it to me maybe they will remember it too and post it again... like i say this fellow makes a nice piece....charlie

[CraigThompson]

My W C Scott and Son says not for Ball. .

I have a W&C Scott 10 gauge and mine has the same thing stamped on the underside of the barrels . And if I live long enough eventually I'll try roundballs in them atleast long enough to kill one deer !

[Rick Losey]

the "not for ball" proof designates a choke or reduction in the bore size.

personally, i follow the advice.

i would think that at minimum you should make sure the ball is a hair smaller the the smallest diameter in that bore. there should be marks for chamber and bore size. tight 10's often have a reduction to 12 bore in the tubes.

[charlie cleveland]

heh phil im still looking for the mans address that makes the mold its somewhere in my collection of things...dont give up hope... i hope some one pitches infor some one here gave me his address fore sure...i sure wish i could be more organized... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

No problem Charlie, I just got three boxes of shells loaded by Tom Armbrust. Some #2 and some #4. Should keep me in the Predator shooting business for awhile. I am going to start assembling some sort of loading equipment for the 8 gauge. I need to see if I can modify some 10 gauge magnum equipment.

[charlie cleveland]

the old 10 ga lee hand loader is what i use and then i have a roll crimp for thecrimping but do wish i had a 6 way or 8 crimp also...you can pobably get the mans name from tom who makes the hull resizer...there is a 1 stage that does it is one operation and theres some folks who make it ina 2 stage operation...or you can get a pair of pipe crimping pliars and with 1 minute s use of a die grinder you canhave a hull resizer but my way takes about 30 secounds to resize a hull and it dont look as pretty as toms but it works fine for me...just reminded me i was supose to have sent wayne a picture of it ... hope you good luck with the predertor control with the 8 ga...these are stories we are waiting to hear... p s what kinda loads did you have tom load up 2 -3 ounce etc.... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

I had some 2 1/2 and some 2 1/4 OZ loads done. Tomorrow morning is the day. Will be getting up around 4AM and start at day light. My 9:00 AM it is getting about 95 degrees and nothings moving. Not even a hungry coyote.

[charlie cleveland]

make sure not to forget gun or ammo and wind and set the old alarm clock maybe even put it under a dishpan...good hunting we ll be waiting for the storey... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

Here is a picture from a few years ago. If you get them up close you can make quick work of them. Sorry about the upside down barrels.

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[charlie cleveland]

boy thats a nice big old coyote...one of the bigger one ive seen..miss yotes are usally on the small size of the one you picture here... charlie

[Eldon Goddard]

I had some 2 1/2 and some 2 1/4 OZ loads done. Tomorrow morning is the day. Will be getting up around 4AM and start at day light. My 9:00 AM it is getting about 95 degrees and nothings moving. Not even a hungry coyote.

Phil I hope you are keeping cool out there in tuscon with this record breaking heat. I try not even to go outside unless I have to.

[Phillip Carr]

Well we got out today and made 6 stands. Only called in one coyote. He made a dash between my hunting partner and myself. Two loads from the 8 gauges ended his run. Lost my favorite hand call before I made my 1st stand. Luckily I had a call I had bought but never had used in the truck. So we salvaged the day. Knocked off at 10:00 AM as it hit 95 degrees and we could not stand the heat.

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[charlie cleveland]

looks like a good hunt to me..you can take a coyote with about any kinda a gun but when you do it with a 8 gauge that puts you in another class..ha was your buddy shooting a 8 ga also...what load did you use and how far was the shot taken...yall have made my day today... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

Charlie,
We were both shooting my 8 gauges. I was shooting my Parker and he ( Dave) was shooting my W C Scott and Son. We were shooting 1 7/8 of #2's. Coyote was about 30 yards running full bore straight away from Dave and quartering from me. We both shot about a split second apart and he dropped. I can hardly wait until until October this is usually the best month to call. Our best days are 5 and 13 in a day. I like to use the Burnham Brother J1 call (Distressed Javalina ). Since I lost this one yesterday, I ended up using their Black Magic call. ( Distressed Rabbit). Most Coyotes I call come in within the first 5 to 10 minutes. I start out my calling sequence with 4 light calls and then wait at least 2 to 3 minutes before calling louder and longer. This coyote came in in less than 1 minute. Coyote hunting is like calling turkeys only a lot faster action. It's amazing how fast they come in sometimes and how they just appear from no where. Our best day in the last 30 years was 13 coyotes actually shot. On that day my brother George and I were shooting rifles and had 7 coyotes come in on one stand, and were able to shoot 3 of these. Also shot a number of doubles were we both shot 1 each. Calling coyotes is really exciting with an occasional Bobcat, Badger, fox, or even a Mountain Lion coming to the call. We have also called in lots of Deer and Javalina.

[charlie cleveland]

thats a pretty good record there you got over the years..i ve never have just tried calling coyotes but i have killed some turkey hunting when i was calling a turkey...i shot a young coyote last year a calling a crow i was useing the old parker 8 ga then..may have to get me a distress call and see what i can call up... does youre parker have choke in it...and what about the wc scott... charlie

[Phillip Carr]

Charlie,

I had not measured the chokes until today when you asked. The Parker is Choked .042 in each barrel. The Scott is choked .032 in the left and .014 in the right. The Scott has the best pattern I have ever seen in a gun. I will pattern the Parker real soon now I received my shells from Tom Armbrust.

[charlie cleveland]

phil youve truly got a good amount of choke in that parker..i have noticed over thew past few years that most 8 ga s do not have much choke in them espically those made in europe.the guns made in the u. s. a. have a lot more choke such as your parker. i seem to recall a coupla other fellows with 8 ga also had full choke barrels both parkers... hope your parkewr really patterns well..my old 8 gas at least two of them are cly bore both guns have had there barrels cut would have been interesting to know what kinda choke they once had.. man that old 8 ga of yours should really pattern well it should make heck of a turkey gun... charlie

[wayne goerres]

Phil Witch ways more. The 8ga or the coyote. The way your are hoisting that critter Iam guessing it is a toss up.

[Phillip Carr]

I think the Yote has about 10 LBS. on the Parker. We get some good sized dogs, but they are usually the largest around December.

[wayne goerres]

Boys the press arrived friday and my daughter delivered it today. I dont have any hulls for my 8ga yet but a 10ga hull drops right through the center of the shell holder and is to small for the crimp stations. The guy said he was useing a tape measurer. I think I got luckey. She is an 8ga press.

[Eldon Goddard]

I am glad to hear it was the real deal.

[Phillip Carr]

EXCELLENT. If you would like send me your address by PM and I will send you out a hull tomorrow.

[charlie cleveland]

wayne i m glad you got the reloadere and especially glad its a 8 ga...charlie

[Paul Plager]

Nice looking dog Phil. Good shooting also.That 8 has to be a hoot to shoot. I do love my 10s, but have never shot an 8. It sure is a sweet looking gun. Thanks for taking us along on your hunt.:corn:
my Dr. said that i can't shoot anything until at least next month.:banghead: I had rotator cuff surgery 3 months ago. My triger finger sure is getting itchy. :draw:Your posts do help some, they also make me want to get back out there with a gun in my hand. Keep up the preadator control. I seem to remember there are a few more put there in your desert. I lived in Phoenix in the 80s and the hunting out near Goodyear was great. Now there is a prison there.

[Phillip Carr]

Paul if you are ever out this way let me know and you are welcome to shoot my 8 gauges.