once fired remington hulls from precision

[wayne goerres]

I am getting ready to load some 10ga 2 7/8" for my WC Scott. The only hulls I have are once fired hulls olive green hulls for steel shot that I cut back to 2 7/8". Are these the same as the SP remingtons they list in the loading data. Also because of the shortages I only have rem sp wads win 209 primers and 7625 powder. Componants are impossable to come by right now. If anybody can sugest a load with these componants I would be thrilled. I will be useing lead shot. Thanks in advance.

[charlie cleveland]

some one will answer before long if they dont ill look tommorrow and see what info i got can help... charlie

[wayne goerres]

Thanks charley.

[Jack Kuzepski]

Wayne,

2 pages back, Pete Lester has a post "2-7/8 10 ga Reloading Data". He has 2 or 3 updated files listed with loading info from powder companies and Sherman Bells findings. There are sure to be several loads with your components.

Jack Kuzepski

[Pete Lester]

Wayne, I believe the Remington SP hulls referenced are the old Remington hulls that took 57 size primers. I am guessing the hulls you have would be referenced as Remington OS. You'll see Sherman Bell had 4 loads using that hull with the SP10 wad and 7625. Although it says no filler wad required with 1 1/4 ounce folded crimp I am not sure I believe it, I suspect you'll need a .135 16ga nitro card or it's equal for a proper crimp.

See spreadsheet "ComprehensiveListofShortTenloads5.3.2012.pdf" in this thread:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6282

[wayne goerres]

Thank you I found it, I just didnt go down the thread far enough to find the comprehensive list. I knew I had seen it some where. What dose os stand for on the rem hulls. Mine are marked Rem sportsmen high speed steel. I beleave they are a plastic base wad. Are they interchangeable. I beleave they are a high base shell. Next question. When you cut these cases back to 2 7/8" Is there any diffaculty in re crimping . I can also roll crimp if nessary.

[Pete Lester]

Sherman Bell's notes on hulls is located in post #48 here:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1092&page=5

He does not explain what OS stands for.

I have had no trouble crimping new unfired cut down hulls, either Rem or Fed using a MEC Versamec press. However if you experience a swirled crimp or some crushing stop and adjust the press.

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/articleindex/articles/mecadjust/mecadj.htm

[wayne goerres]

Thank you pete. I am going to give these a try and see what happens. Hopefully there will be no surprises.

[Paul Harm]

No you won't have a problem crimping the cut shells. Yesterday I was playing around with some I cut to 2 7/8" and found the Rem SP plastic wad wasn't very tight in the Rem hull - powder was leaking by the wad. Very unhappy with this - so I loaded some with fiber wads. I'm in no hurry to shoot them seeing how I have nothing to shoot them in until next week when I visit Bachelder. My Remington 10 has tight chambers and my Parker has 2 5/8" chambers. They're both going to be fixed to shoot the 2 7/8" shell. Can't wait to shoot em. Paul

[wayne goerres]

Well I loaded 25 rounds on the new press. The reciept is once fired rem hull, win 209 primer, 30grs 7625 1 1/4nos 6 shot rem sp wads and a 1/8 overpowder wad for filler. shells crimped fine after a little adjustment. The short kit that they shipped with the press seems to be out of line when installed. Anybody else have this problem.

[Pete Lester]

Well I loaded 25 rounds on the new press. The reciept is once fired rem hull, win 209 primer, 30grs 7625 1 1/4nos 6 shot rem sp wads and a 1/8 overpowder wad for filler. shells crimped fine after a little adjustment. The short kit that they shipped with the press seems to be out of line when installed. Anybody else have this problem.

Creating your own ammo such as Short 10ga is very satisfying, it will be equally or more satisfying when you put it in your gun and it goes BANG. Then you will take your empties home and load them again, only this time you will think, wow this is easy. Have fun.

PS. Have not heard of any issues with a short kit as you describe. Lift up the big spring and try to adjust it.

[wayne goerres]

Can't be adjusted. It fits the shaft on the reloader to tight.

[charlie cleveland]

wayne now you need to pattern them shells and tell us how they do...i bet they will pattern out to 45 yards easy...of course we need a turkey head as a target...a ten ga is my favorite gauge over all...charlie

[wayne goerres]

Charley it will be next week before I can try these shells. Sorry but I don't have a turkey head. Will a DR Pepper can in a sock do.

[charlie cleveland]

it will do just fine...charlie

[Paul Harm]

The little fingers on the sheet metal plate that holds the shell in place for crimping for me seems to goof things up. I bent mine straight so they're not between the spacer and the base of the machine. I then tapped them with a hammer to bend under the base.

[wayne goerres]

The next time I use the press I will try tweeking things around a bit. Sure would be nice if they would start makeing things that work properly. It isn't like they under charge us for the engineering.

[Jack Kuzepski]

Paul

What kind of press are you using? I use a MEC 600 jr. and don't even use the shell plate. I found that all of the pieces (resizer, wad/shot drop tube, crimp starter and finish crimp) help move the shell to the correct position. It makes switching gauges on the same press much quicker as well.

Jack Kuzepski

[Paul Harm]

The 600jr. Never thought about not using the locator plate - try not using it next time.

[Paul Harm]

Oh, now I know why I use it. Some of my high brass shells want to stick in the final crimp station and the plate catches the rim of the shell and holds it down so it will come out.

[wayne goerres]

Well I made it to the range today with my shinny new reloads. Wow At fifty yards they completly distroyed the targets. You couldnt count the holes. Complete distruction. The recoil was a bit brisk in the W C Scott. Two rounds and I went and got my sissy pad. Also tryed some smokeless loads through the 10ga parker lifter. Thank you paul Harm. Those one once loads are great. Come on squirle season. A joy to shoot. The roll crimps dont unfold very well in plastic hulls.Goinf to be hard to reload.

[Paul Harm]

Ballistic Products makes a tool for re doing the ends of a roll crimped plastic shell. I've never used one - had a friend with a lathe make one for me. Because plastic 10ga hulls are so expensive, I fold crimp them - save the roll crimps for paper hulls.

[Mark Ouellette]

I use the skiver tools from BPI and they work great!

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Power-Hull-Skiver-10ga-16ga/productinfo/0740011/

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Hull-Shape-Up-Tool/productinfo/SHAPE/

[wayne goerres]

I think I will try a 6 point crimp on the next batch. I will have to order one of those skeve tools. the one I have from precision dosnt work well. I have another 10ga coming in a charles daly linder hammer gun. going to need more shells. Reloading 10ga shells may become a full time project.

[Paul Harm]

Yes it can - you can always cut down a shell and keep on reloading it.