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Unread 03-24-2026, 09:49 PM   #31
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My mentor in the game was John Sands.
My introduction to pigeons, and lifelong friend was PGCA member Chuck Altenburg.
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He uses the same boxes he uses for pigeons . If my memory serves it nine boxes John . Are you by chance contemplating a ring at the “Davis Sportsman’s Club” ?
Always contemplating. Quail would be much easier to acquire than pigeons. And I have the box traps I got from Murphy several years ago. What’s the rise? 18 yards? 30 yards?
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Always contemplating. Quail would be much easier to acquire than pigeons. And I have the box traps I got from Murphy several years ago. What’s the rise? 18 yards? 30 yards?
Where I shoot we start at 32 yards after three straight step back a yard .
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The better you shoot, the cheaper the shooting.
What I've seen, is if you can maintain a 26-28/30 average, your shooting costs are very low.
BTW, the formula that we strived for, begins with an 85% first barrel kill rate. 90% is better.
And always play the money, because learning to shoot for money is part of the practice.
You have two jobs. Train with your gun, and then train your mind.
Winning shoots requires an incredible mental game.
I have been trained and coached by some incredible people, and should probably write a book.
I’d love to go to Madrid for the Kings Cup once just so I could say I had and had shot there . I’ve never done a shoot that was thirty birds box or Colombaire it’s always been 15 or 20 .
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I’d love to go to Madrid for the Kings Cup once just so I could say I had and had shot there . I’ve never done a shoot that was thirty birds box or Colombaire it’s always been 15 or 20 .
Sure sounds like fun.
You are right on about the mental game when shooting. Years ago I shot serious skeet competition and you can't win without really a really good mental game. I can assure you I was nervous when shooting the US Open many years ago
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I have found in trap that once you have the basics down and your fundamentals are solid, then it’s 99% mental.
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I have found in trap that once you have the basics down and your fundamentals are solid, then it’s 99% mental.
It's like that in any sport John.
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