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Unread 09-06-2025, 07:33 PM   #1
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I think so now and now I have to ask him.
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16ga Pigeon Skeet engraved by Nick Kusmit.
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And checkered by Winchester wood man, John Durkin. What a great gun.
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[QUOTE=Eddie Kay;434972]16ga Pigeon Skeet engraved by Nick Kusmit.

That's two WOW Model 12s in a row. Or Double WOW!

I bought this little 20 gauge from "The World's Foremost Outfitter" just for the wood. It's a WS-1 Skeet gun and I was going to put the wood on another WS-1 20 gauge Skeet gun I have. However, after I started shooting it I love it. It breaks targets like I can't believe, even though it's hideious looking because of the Cutts Compensator. It's obvoiusly not done correctly, but it is pretty wood.
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Can't see the Cutts but I happen to like them. Wood is gorgeous.
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My Dad use to refer to the Cutts as a Corn Cob on the end of the barrel
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I suppose I'll get flamed for this, but I find that coarse checkering and stippling around the fleur-de-lis on high grade post WW-II Model 12 and 21s pretty poor compared to what our factories were putting out on high grade Parker Bros., Remington, Lefever, etc. doubles sixty years earlier. The checkering on the F-Grade Remington pumps and autos being made concurrently with those Model 12 and 21s was better.
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What is interesting is when Remington wanted to do it, they were the best. Engraving and the checking is second to none. Unfortunately, they decided that they didn’t want to do it moving forward. What a shame. But, thankfully, we have available to us some of their best efforts.
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What is interesting is when Remington wanted to do it, they were the best. Engraving and the checking is second to none. Unfortunately, they decided that they didn’t want to do it moving forward. What a shame. But, thankfully, we have available to us some of their best efforts.
I am unsure what era you are speaking of, but many years ago I attended the Remington Armorer's School in Illion. I wanted to see the Custom Shop as much as anything else. I was amazed at the beautiful work I saw there. I had purchased a 12 gauge Remington Special Field to hunt with and it had ugly wood. I wanted to upgrade the wood and told the guy in the Custom Shop wood room, Billy was his name, the type wood I was looking for. Our instructor, Bob Lescovar, had just started training students after working in another capacity in the plant. During a break, Bob brought a buttstock and forend over to ask if these pieces would be satisfactory. I told Bob to tell Billy they would be "very satisfactory". "D" grade buttstock and and "F" grade forend. At the time, it was the nicest wood I had ever seen. There was an engraver that was getting read to retire, and Bob had said he wanted the engraver to engrave a trigger guard for him before the engraver left. I do not remember the engravers name, but I watched him do some work while I was there and it was very nice.
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I suppose I'll get flamed for this, but I find that coarse checkering and stippling around the fleur-de-lis on high grade post WW-II Model 12 and 21s pretty poor compared to what our factories were putting out on high grade Parker Bros., Remington, Lefever, etc. doubles sixty years earlier. The checkering on the F-Grade Remington pumps and autos being made concurrently with those Model 12 and 21s was better.
Yes, but then look at the British Bests, H & H, as an example.
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