A.W. du Bray's great grandson

[edgarspencer]

Any idea why 95,000 & 94520 are listed as 12ga. guns in the serialization book?

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

Any idea why 95,000 & 94520 are listed as 12ga. guns in the serialization book?

Edgar, in Dave's article he lists 95000 as a possibly rebarreled 20 gauge and and 95420 as a 28 gauge ordered by Shoverling, Daly and Gales on Feb. 6, 1900.

The appearance of 94520 on the list was a keystroke error by me and has since been corrected.





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[todd allen]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

I wrote and published a very complete article beginning on pg. 25 in Parker Pages Fall, 2018 (Vol. 25, Issue 3) on this gun with loads of very high quality pictures.





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Thanks Dean. I'll have to look that up.

[Dean Romig]

The earliest serial numbers for 28 gauge Parkers is as follows from the article by Dave, Bill and Mark...

94373
95000
95420
95421
95422
95426
95428
95431
97027
97031
97032
97033
97034
97036
97037
97038
97170
97426
99181
99599
99600
99686
99687
100303
101329
102155
102156


Some of these may have been rebarreled 20 gauge guns. We don't have all the data on all of them.





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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

The earliest serial numbers for 28 gauge Parkers is as follows from the article by Dave, Bill and Mark...

94373
95000
94520
95421
95422
95428
95431
97027
97031
97032
97033
97034
97036
97037
97038
97170
97426
99181
99599
99600
100303
101329
102155
102156


Some of these may have been rebarreled 20 gauge guns. We don't have all the data on all of them.

You're missing 99686 & 99687, which were an identical pair of 24" VH guns.. They were the first 24" 28ga. guns made. They were ordered by H&D Folsom in 1900, and delivered to a "Mister Currier" in 1901

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Edgar - I made that edit to my list. Those two were not in Dave's article and I'm glad you brought them up.

If anyone else knows of very early 28 gauge Parkers not included in this list please let me know and I'll insert them so we can have a complete list to be able to refer to.





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[Bill Murphy]

I had remembered that 95,428 was in my list from the article. 95,426 doesn't appear.

[Bill Murphy]

Dean's list, which Edgar added to, was never intended to be a complete list. In the Dave Suponski article, he (Dave) included an incorrect and incomplete list of "the first ten 28 gauge guns" provided by Austin Hogan. The list was only of ten early 28 gauge guns, and not anywhere near the first ten. I don't know how Austin's random list got into the article. My research on the first 28 gauge orders was included in the article and begins at the bottom of the first column and continues to the end of column two and was my only submission for that article. The mention of 97,426 was included by the author of the article and was not part of my research. As I stated before, my research is not claimed to be complete and further numbers may come up when missing order and stock books are discovered as well as the guns themselves. The first orders I discovered were February 6, 13, and 20, 1900. These were the earliest orders I found by date, not neccesarily by serial number.
There could be earlier orders in a corresponding order book, but I don't know whether that is true or not.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Dean's list, which Edgar added to, was never intended to be a complete list. In the Dave Suponski article, he included an incorrect and incomplete list of "the first ten 28 gauge guns" provided by Austin Hogan. The list was only of ten early 28 gauge guns, and not anywhere near the first ten. I don't know how Austin's list got into the article. My research on the first 28 gauge orders was included in the article and begins at the bottom of the first column and continues to the end of column two. The mention of 97,426 was included by the author of the article and was not part of my research. As I stated before, my research is not claimed to be complete and further numbers may come up when missing order and stock books are discovered as well as the guns themselves. The first orders I discovered were February 6, 13, and 20, 1900. There could be earlier orders in a corresponding order book, but I don't know whether that is true or not.

Right Bill, the list is incomplete but not through anyone’s fault, but simply a result of whether available knowledge was included, or not, in the article Dave authored.
If anyone can add a serial number to the list I created here please let me know and I’ll edit the list with the addition of forthcoming serial numbers.

And just like we in the world of Parkers “never say never” we also must recognize that in our world of Parkers, our Parker knowledge will “always” continue to grow.





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[Bill Murphy]

The Austin Hogan list is a random list of early serial numbers, by no means the earliest or first. I am not sure how Dean's list was compiled, but, as Edgar mentions, it includes a couple of 12 gauge guns. Or not, refer to later posts.