Brian, Pete is right. I started out with four 600jrs, But I shoot so much (6500 to 7000) rounds a year, shooting skeet, that I had to move up to something with more volume. I had to go to the 9000g loaders. Like Pete said every now and then you will goof. The only thing about the 600jr is you have to pull the handle 6 times to load 1 shell. It mainly comes down to how much you are going to shoot and how much you need to reload. The amount I was talking about shooting skeet doesn't include what I load to shoot in the side X sides. Also I like the Remington and Federal hulls in the 12ga. I usually get mine once fired on E-Bay. Make sure you ask the person selling the hulls if they are good clean hulls. I have gotten some that I had to throw half of them away. ( looked like they had been laid in the mud and run over with a tractor) If you keep an eye out you can get some good deals now and then. Good luck and have fun, Mike
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