Early 20th Century Powder Question?

[Drew Hause]

Ed: interestingly Laflin & Rand's Unique and Infallible were made from the same formula, the only difference being the granulation. Both were reformulated over the years.
Hercules promoted Red Dot as a replacement for Infallible, but continued to manufacture Infallible (later by Alliant).

Nobel's Ballistite for shotshells was discontinued (in the U.S.) in the late 1920s.

[Mike of the Mountain]

Originally Posted by Drew Hause

OH NO MIKE!!!!
Bulk Smokeless was measured by volume and early on the volume was the same a black powder. That changed with 33 grain = 3 Dram Eq. Bulk powders
Dense was ONLY to be measured by grains/weight.



A 3 Dr. Eq. (Dram Equivalent) load of “E.C.” No. 1 or “Schultze” was 42 grains by weight. 3 Dr. Eq. of Dense Smokeless Ballistite was 24 grains; Infallible 22 grains. The pressure of a 3 Dram (82 grains by volume) load of Black Powder with 1 1/8 oz. of shot at 1200 fps is about 5000 psi. The pressure of 1 1/8 oz. 3 Dr. Eq. of BULK Smokeless was 6500 - 7500 psi; 3 Dr. Eq. of DENSE Smokeless was 9000 - 10,000 psi.

Substituting a Dense Smokeless powder for Black or Bulk Smokeless powder would double the charge. It has been estimated that 50 grains of Infallible or Unique could reach 30,000 psi.

I was thinking dense was bulk. My bad. I still wouldn’t bother with it.

[Mike of the Mountain]

Funny thing is I’m in the midst of reading Askins book on “Modern Shotguns and Loads” and he has chapters devoted to powders and loads and patterns and……

[Big D]

Here's the old powder. Sorry about the rotation
Tried to resize it, but...

[Mike of the Mountain]

Here ya go.

FFg black powder?

[Researcher]

1Fg would be black powder.

Black powder is classified by granulation size, with 1F being the coarsest and 4F the finest, used for different firearms and applications.

Some DuPont Bulk items --

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[Mike of the Mountain]

A few more powders in the Parker records. They are Schultze and Hazard Blue Ribbon. All kinds of new info is turning up.

[Researcher]

Capt. A.W. Money (Bluerock) and his family came to the U.S. and set up the American "E.C." and Schultze Gunpowder Company, Ltd. with works in Oakland, Bergen County, New Jersey, and offices at 318 Broadway in New York City.

Advertising for The American “E.C.” and Schultze Gunpowder Company, Ltd. was regularly found in The American Field through the February 13, 1904, issue. Beginning in the April 2, 1904, issue of The American Field, “New E.C.” and “Schultze” celebrated Bulk Powders were being advertised as products of Laflin & Rand Powder Co. Through the end of 1906 L & R advertised “New E.C. (Improved)” and “New Schultze” bulk powders in addition to their “Infallible Smokeless” dense powder. Beginning in mid-February 1907, “New E.C. (Improved)” and “New Schultze” bulk powders, and “Infallible Smokeless” dense powder were being advertised as products of E.I. du Pont de Nemours Powder Company, Wilmington, Del.

[Drew Hause]

In 1904 the great Fred Gilbert, on station 5, was shooting a Parker and DuPont Bulk