12 gauge Parker shotguns

[MrBojangles]

Originally Posted by Pete Lester

If you think the price of a vintage Parker 12ga is low now it will be a lot lower if and when the US follows the UK and enacts a complete ban on the use of lead shot.

Sometimes I think having a collection of vintage doubles is like playing a game of musical chairs, there may not be seat when the music stops if you own too many.

Is that being proposed?

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Ian Civco

Is that being proposed?

It became the law of the land in California on July 1st. It was banned for waterfowling 35+ years ago and it has been banned on some federal and state lands as well.

I would say it's coming eventually, just a question of when.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Ian Civco

Is that being proposed?

Not a generalized lead ban but here in NH I know of three trapshooting clubs, N. Hampton, Exeter and Lone Pine in Hollis that were shut down because it was determined lead pellets were landing in a wetland (it doesn't take much for the state to declare a wetland). The largest trap shooting facility in Pelham NH had to shut down two fields out of eight for the same reason and could no longer handle the number of shooters for the state championship, so the NH state championship was moved to MA of all places. Another club, Farmington, has half a skeet field because some of the stations were determined to be putting shot in a pond.

[Dylan Rhodes]

In my humble opinion if you have the disposable income for this hobby a ban on lead shot would just fuel the fire by allowing you to afford higher grades for less money. Considering I collect for the nostalgia and solely hunting and not to diversify my investment portfolio, 5-10 boxes of bismuth or similar a year won’t dissuade me.

It probably will effectively negate anyone new from entering the game, unless they grow up into it, but I don’t think it’s going to cause a mass exit of the hobby.

Of course, if you’re shooting a round of 100 every weekend your opinion will be different.

In any event, it’s speculation at this point, and out of my control. What is in my control is enjoying these guns and choosing to accept the risk that may or may not come, considering there is an existing solution.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Dylan Rhodes

In my humble opinion if you have the disposable income for this hobby a ban on lead shot would just fuel the fire by allowing you to afford higher grades for less money. Considering I collect for the nostalgia and solely hunting and not to diversify my investment portfolio, 5-10 boxes of bismuth or similar a year won’t dissuade me.

It probably will effectively negate anyone new from entering the game, unless they grow up into it, but I don’t think it’s going to cause a mass exit of the hobby.

Of course, if you’re shooting a round of 100 every weekend your opinion will be different.

In any event, it’s speculation at this point, and out of my control. What is in my control is enjoying these guns and choosing to accept the risk that may or may not come, considering there is an existing solution.

Over the course of a year I shoot thousands of lead shells at clay pigeons and crows. Bismuth is not an affordable alternative/existing solution and steel remains the most economical non tox shot which is not friendly to vintage guns.

Seriously who is going to pay $50 or more for the shells to shoot a 25 target round of trap, skeet or five stand? Because two dollars a shell is about the cost of reloading bismuth at today's prices.

[Double Lab]

I'll say it again. Have waterfowl populations done better or worse since they mandated non toxic waterfowl loads?

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Daryl Corona

I'll say it again. Have waterfowl populations done better or worse since they mandated non toxic waterfowl loads?

That argument won't change the trajectory of saving the planet.

[Dylan Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Pete Lester

Over the course of a year I shoot thousands of lead shells at clay pigeons and crows. Bismuth is not an affordable alternative/existing solution and steel remains the most economical non tox shot which is not friendly to vintage guns.

Seriously who is going to pay $50 or more for the shells to shoot a 25 target round of trap, skeet or five stand? Because two dollars a shell is about the cost of reloading bismuth at today's prices.

You may have overlooked my statement regarding what you do with the guns and how you get enjoyment from them. I can swallow the 2 dollar a shot pill for my purposes, and if no one else can for theirs, well I guess that just works out for me then.

[Double Lab]

Like Pete I shoot on average a flat a week. I'll have take to up pickleball.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dylan Rhodes

You may have overlooked my statement regarding what you do with the guns and how you get enjoyment from them. I can swallow the 2 dollar a shot pill for my purposes, and if no one else can for theirs, well I guess that just works out for me then.

I think you mentioned shooting 100 rounds on a weekend somewhere Dylan? Your $2 a pill is a lot when some of us shoot 200-500 A WEEK. There are a lot of those guys out there who shoot many thousands a year. Bismuth is simply NOT an option for these guns at that volume. Hunting is low volume but if this is for all shooting then either our guns go bye bye or I suspect there will be a LOT of outlaws walking around simply giving the finger. I know one person who simply will not comply.