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Craig, you sure those 1 1/4 or 1 3/8oz loads aren't too light for clay birds ? Man, my shoulder hurts just thinking about them. I like 1oz loads in the short 10 for clay bird games. If my 12ga 3/4 or 7/8oz loads work just fine in a 12ga there's no reason a 1oz load won't work in a 12 or the 10. 20grs of RD, GD, or Promo all work. 17grs of 700x is also fine in the 10 with fiber wads and 1oz of shot. JMHO