The Last Parkers
 

Has anyone had any experience with Remington Parkers right at the end of production? Guns in the 242xxx serial number range. I was looking at a CHE in this range. The barrel rib had no markings. Typical nice Remington wood. Correct engraving. Correct checkering. But the serial number on the barrel flats and forearm iron were over stamped. Is it reasonable to think that these guns were put together with parts in inventory that may have been seralized already?

I wouldn’t buy such a gun but just thought it was interesting.

Hard to say Reggie.

We know, of course, that after Remington started making their own barrels and ribs, they no longer stamped a legend or barrel steel type on the top rib, and that they stamped the serial number on the barrel flat rather than on the side of the lug as had been previously done.

But overstamped... who knows?

And how was it overstamped, one digit?... the whole serial number?





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We need pictures of the stamps to guess what was going on.

Reggie,
I have owned six 242xxx guns. The serial # stamps on my guns were just normal Remington stamps for the time period.

PML

Reggie, if you tell us the serial number, we may be able to tell you whether you have one of the cleanup guns or maybe one of the guns that were to be completed later.

I don’t have the gun nor do I have pics. #242079 was the number if my memory serves me correct.

I saw that too, and of course old Researcher saved pictures!! It appears to me that the 079 is stamped over 257.

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The barrel flat has a repair coded XK3 X = December K = 1941. Two things that caught my attention was not a production date code present and no choke markings I'd expect at that late date.

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On the flats of 242079 there is a stamp I have never seen before nor seen mentioned in TPS pgs. 579 - 583 right next to the "box with a slash" (as described in TPS pg. 582) is a 'Star of David'. I wonder what that signifies... possibly something to do with date of manufacture? Likely not because Remington already had a well established dating system.






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A little more information. A dealer friend told me about a year ago that he knew of a CHE 20 gauge, 26”, beaver tail, single trigger gun that he hoped to get one day. He said that it had a grouse in flight on trigger plate. He said it was a very late gun with no choke markings but that it was choked SK/SK.

The subject gun in this thread is configured exactly the same way with a grouse in flight on trigger plate. But it’s a 16 gauge.

Interesting stuff. The dealer stated he had never seen a grouse in flight engraved on trigger plate of a Parker.

A possibility is that the inspector with the star of David stamp replaced the inspector with the sun stamp near the end. I also find the star of David stamp on 242301 and 242353.

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What the authors called a semi-horseshoe on page 582 may have been a poorly struck example of this --

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242257 was sold new by Abercrombie & Fitch. If this gun is 242257 everywhere except the barrels/forend and you want to know what it was originally then I would contact G&H and get a letter.

PML

The gun in question is 242079 on the watertable, forearm iron and trigger guard backstrap. Just on the barrel flats the 079 part of the serial number appears best I can tell to be stamped over 257.

Is G & H doing letters again? I thought that resource was gone since Bob Beach retired.

As far as I know, G&H is not in the letter business since Bob left.

That is too bad. Bob did some wonderful research and letters. Perhaps the PGCA should approach G&H about getting access to their ledgers for the purpose of including A&F Parker data in a Parker letter. If they need a place to store those large crusty old A&F books I think I can make some room. :)

PML

Now there's a good idea, accompanied by a volunteer!

Just a lightened photo for clarity.

lost the photo in last post

I offered to volunteer my time to assist Bob in his "project", but was rebuffed. I would still offer to assist in getting the G&H records in order.

I have 241,601 , the last C in the Serialization Book . Reggie , contact me if you need to.

Hello All, The subject gun 242,079 was of course looked at by myself and others and before I got a call back from the dealer it was sold. I thought that the slotted screw in the top of the rib and the extra cutouts in the stock at the sides of the top tang were incorrect. I would think the screw was some kind of "fix it". The dealer had that gun priced at about 30 % of its value IMHO, had it been in unaltered condition. It was obviously all worth the asking price to some, maybe even many of us. The pics have been taken down as far as I know so you can't go back and see the screw in that picture. I am glad someone pointed out the serial # being fooled with. It was fun while it lasted. Best to all, Paul

What screw in the rib?

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My mistake I had two guns confused. It was a late Remington Parker GHE 20 grade. That gun did indeed have a screw in the rib. My apologies

Who had this gun for sale? What was the asking price?


PML

I didn't note who had 242079 for sale, but I am pretty sure the beavertail forearm wood isn't original --

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Certainly isn’t the correct checkering pattern for a Grade 4 beavertail.

This is the original beavertail forend on CHE number 230760 - note the difference in checkering patterns.


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Gordy and Sons from Texas had that GHE 20ga. Stock was fitted wrong at the upper tang shoulder, cut square rather than rounded. Short rib screw popped its filler bar and someone tried turning it out, it looked more like the rear screw for a scope mount, photo did not show top of barrel past screw. Asking price was $7500 Single trigger, PG and Beavertail.

Side views of 20ga GHE

I have two great Parkers with screws in the ribs, lots of them. I'm just looking for something to attach with the screws. They are not spaced right for the fifties era thing.