First Iteration SBT

[Mike Franzen]

We have identified the earliest known SBT, but I’m not sure if we know the last survivor of the first edition which has the scroll engraving without the pigeon. They were only made this way for the first year. I have serial number 178956 which is probably middle of the pack. Let’s see if we can identify the highest number with this style of engraving. Below is a sample.

[Dean Romig]

Mike, please tell us the serial number of the first one "we" have found.





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[Mike Franzen]

176128 is written about in the post I’m including a link to. According to the records it was the second one made.
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12538

[Mike Franzen]

Apparently that link doesn’t work. It’s 3 pages back in this forum.

[CraigThompson]

I had a scroll bottom SC in my hands six or seven years ago that sold at a local auction . Think I bid it up to $2700 then bowed out , I shoulda gone higher . Wish I remembered the number .

[John B White]

I'd like to find another.

[Gary Cripps]

Ser. #181261 with no dove reclines in my gun cabinet. Where does it fit in the lineage?

[Mike Franzen]

I would say that’s close to the upper end Gary. Do you have any pictures you could share?

[Gary Cripps]

Picture try

[Mills Morrison]

This is a cool thread. I was not aware of the early design. Every serious Parker collector should have at least one SBT

[Bill Murphy]

I agree with Mike Franzen. The mentioned gun, 181,261, is about the high serial number of scroll engraved single traps. Who has a higher number single trap without a pigeon in the engraving pattern?

[Gary Cripps]

There are two old threads on this with better pictures on 9/23/16 and the letter on 10/16 if interested. I don’t know how to bring them forward.

[Dean H Hanson]

The "no bird" 181631 is currently for sale on GB.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

When did they change from a pigeon to a pheasant? Gary

[John Davis]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pheasant on an SC.

[Bill Murphy]

No pheasant on Parker singles.

[Dean Romig]

We sometimes see preasants on Remington era DHE’s floor plates.





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[Bill Murphy]

Some Ithaca singles may have pheasants.

[Phil Yearout]

My 5E Knick has what I guess is a pheasant on the left side, but it's kinda stylized - long tail like a cock pheasant but no crest etc. on the head.

[John B White]

In addition to my V1 Parker SC, I just put a deposit on my second Ithaca 4e. This one with a straight stock and 32” barrels. I need a 12 step program. But until then….Id love to find a 5e (& another SC). Carry on!

[J. Scott Hanes]

Recently scored a new-to-me SC with the scroll on the bottom of the frame instead of the pigeon. I don't have it in hand yet. The serial # is 184943. Certainly a candidate for the latest version of that engraving pattern on an SC. The next serial # in the I&S book is 185004. No telling what happened to the 61 serial numbers in between unless the recent records purchase by John Davis, et al adds new information. The 184xxx series of serial numbers is sparse with many gaps in the book.

[GunnerGrilli]

Some early Parker Singles engraving.


First Pic is 176795

Second Pic is 177962

Third Pic is 180114

Fourth Pic is 180115 (yes!! A pair!!)

5th Pic is 185102.

Enjoy, thanks for starting this thread Mr. Franzen.

[J. Scott Hanes]

Beautiful set of SC's! It would be interesting to hear how you came about the consecutively numbered guns and I am also curious about the placement of the Parker brand on the bottom of the receiver on the last one, well before Remington took over ownership. It is great to learn something new every day.

[GunnerGrilli]

180115 I bought at Auction years ago, 180114 I was lucky enough to purchase a year or 2 ago at a local gun shop here in the Sacramento area. 180114 was originally ordered for a trap shooter in San Francisco, CA according to the research letter. The gun has always resided in California.


As soon as I walked into the gun shop, asked to see the SBT, and saw it was 180114 I knew I had to have it!!!


185102 was a "Pachmayr Parker" that was upgraded at some time in the Pachmayr shop. It was a Ducks Unlimited dinner gun that Pachmayr donated to DU and was sold at a DU Dinner at auction in the early 1970's. The gun was bought at Auction by a close family friend that gave it to my father after his passing. It was the first Parker that my father gave to me and started the SBT craze.


Thanks,


Bobby

[J. Scott Hanes]

So, what upgrading did Packmayr do that differs from the Parker engraving? Do the sides look markedly different? They must have obliterated the original Parker Bros name on the sides?? How do the sides compare to your other examples? You sure have a valuable family heirloom on that gun from your father!

[Dan Steingraber]

Amazing collection.

[Mike Franzen]

185102 is interesting. It might be the highest serial numbered SC without the pigeon. Also, it was manufactured in 1919 according to our records. Selected for upgrade by pachmyer for upgrade in the 1970’s, I doubt the date of manufacture was known back then. Would be great to know the full story behind this gun.