Have You Seen These Before?

[Dean Romig]

I don't even remember where I got these...

If you've never seen them before - Enjoy!


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[Brian Dudley]

Suponski posted these years ago.

[Dean Romig]

Maybe that's where I got them Brian. Dave and I shared gobs of things... I miss him since he's drifted away.





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[Dylan Rhodes]

I’ve seen a few 1/2 frames pop up recently in various places and none have the lightening cuts noted in this drawing. Has anyone seen one with them or were they dropped before production began?

[Dean Romig]

Those are actual factory blueprints.

And in the lower right you’ll see the September 1930 date so this is approximately 4 years before Remington bought the gun works from Parker Brothers.

Dave Suponski is a loong time Life Member and a great friend of many of us.
He doesn’t post very often anymore but he has an encyclopedic memory of things Parker.





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[Dylan Rhodes]

Sorry Dean, I made an edit to my post as I realized after the 1930 date was on there. These seem like an early revision unless someone has seen a 1/2 frame with lightening cuts?

[Brian Dudley]

These document's confirm that the 1/2 frame was in fact a Meriden development. But the drop in manufacturing and the subsequent sale if the company did not warrent the need to push forward much innovation or change.

The general consensus is that any and all of the 1/2 frames and barrel sets for them were made in Meriden, but not actually used until Remington Illion production, after they ran out of 1 frame parts and they needed a substitution for the lightweight 12g. Since we know that Remington never actually made any frames in Illion. They just had whatever was made in Meriden.

One will also notice that features shown on the drawing like the lightening cuts were not actually implemented on the 1/2 frames guns.

[Bill Murphy]

Question number 2: Has anyone seen an original 16 gauge 1/2 frame gun as mentioned in the blueprint? I have a "put together from two guns" 16 gauge 1/2 frame gun but it is not an original 16.

[Brian Dudley]

The only I have seen along those lines is a meriden built 16g gun that was re-barreled by remington with 1/2 frame 12g barrels.

[Andrew Sacco]

I never knew they never made frames in Ilion. So much to learn...

[Kevin McCormack]

Remington's use of the tremendous Parker Meriden inventory after the move to Ilion occasionally had some very satisfying results: as stock blanks were used up, Remington wound up stocking a number of lower grade guns with exceptionally figured wood rather than turn new blanks of lesser quality and figure commensurate with the lower grade. As a result you will sometimes see VH, PH and GH grade guns with figured wood that would have been appropriate for the next highest grade. Years ago I owned a GH grade 12 ga. that had wood on it that would have made a DH proud, a late, high-numbered Ilion gun.

[Dylan Rhodes]

Agreed. The wood on my DHE 242166 is superb. I imagine by this point the race was on to get rid of excess inventory as the cease of production was imminent.

[Brian Dudley]

I never knew they never made frames in Ilion. So much to learn...


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[Andrew Sacco]

That’s what I said Brian re read my post unless I’m missing something.

[Andrew Sacco]

Or you’re double confirming either way I know something new now thx.

[Brian Dudley]

Sorry, i read your post too quickly.