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[scott kittredge]

hi, wanted to know how many PH or PHE 10 ga. with parker steel barrels were made in all barrel lengths :corn: thanks scott

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Barely a handful, I don't know the exact numbers but it wasn't many.

Cobb had one for sale a couple Southern's ago, first I'd ever seen.

Murphy probably has five.


Destry

[Bill Murphy]

The records of Price and Mullins show an extrapolated figure of 79, 63 of which are 32". However, the accuracy of the extrapolated figures may be in question because the at least 12,000 guns in stock books that are missing during the Parker Steel era are in a serial number range where steel barrel tens appear the most often. The 12,000 missing are only the ones during the "known" Parker Steel era. There is some confusion about an stock book in the 1917 to 1920 era where Parker Steel could have been available. The missing book is estmated to hold an additional 12,000 guns, four times the number of guns in a normal stock book. I don't think PGCA researchers have solved that riddle. There could be 24,000 missing guns from the known figures. The "known" figures for steel barrel P Grades only include about 43,500 guns. My estimate would be a bit higher from what I have seen. I have seen a bunch of P Grade steel tens and I don't get out much. Although I think there are way over 100 32" steel barrel P Grade tens out there, I think the 30" and 34" guns are true rarities. There are also more than a few composite barrelled tens out there that have been rebarrelled to steel by Parker Brothers and Remington. They apparently have always been fairly available at reasonable prices, because everyone I know that wants one has one, some have more than one. I bought one last month. Lucky me.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

You must get out more than I do, that one of Cobb's was the first I'd run across.

My rebarrel is a GH so it doesn't count.


Destry

[Austin W Hogan]

Additional to Bill's accounting, Mark Conrad published a note in PP indicating that many PHPS guns are archived as PHPT.

Best, Austin

[Bill Murphy]

Deyustree, ah nodice thet yur hero Steve is steul huldin on to heus P Grad 10gage. Wenn yu gunnu rite thu chekk?? Seriously, Destry hit the jackpot with a ten gauge factory 3 1/2" magnum from Steve Cobb that we, to this day, refer to as the Cobb Gun. I had looked at the gun for awhile, but Destry rang the bell. Good work, buddy.

[Dean Romig]

Okay, details - we want details. Tell us all about the gun - grade, barrel length, what grip, chokes, butt treatment . . . c'mon guys, lets hear it.

[Kevin McCormack]

Scott; take Muderlak's advice and "Buy The Book" so Murphy can stay on task with shoveling out of the 20 inches of snow we got over the weekend and clear his driveway;

Destry, how's that restored case for your BH/E working out for you (HINT,HINT!). Christmas comes but once a year, and all the year we're merry, but the VISA bill comes every month! Ars Gratia!

The correct answer to Scott's original question can be found in CDC Atlanta's response to the likelihood of specific age groups contracting the H1N1 flu virus: "Frequency of occurrence is deemed problematic due to the inability to define a suitable cohort." In other words, they are out there, but we're not sure where or how many.

Feliz Navidad!

[Kevin McCormack]

P.S. -

Is the "Silver Fox" still selling Foxes, or has he "gone to ground", as they say in GB?

[Bill Murphy]

Still in evidence at the Gun List/Gun Digest paper and at gunsinternational.com, Kevin. Dean, which gun would you like to know about? By the way, Destry, I once owned a nice PH steel ten, but sold it to a friend in hopes of later Parker favors.

[Dean Romig]

The "Cobb Gun".

[Dave Noreen]

Eightbore could have his little driveway done before you are even getting warmed up on yours, Kevin! Then there is mine!!! But, so far this year we haven't had 6 inches total. Got just over two inches in the rain gauge during the warm spell last week!!

[Bill Murphy]

OK, the "Cobb Gun". Early EH Grade #3 frame ten gauge in really nice condition as I remember, with a little color here and there. The owner wanted a little more power, so he sent it to Remington and asked for the "new" magnum 3 1/2" chambered barrels to be installed on his old friend. My gosh, they did it. Steve and I talked about the gun at Las Vegas and somehow I didn't write the check. It may have been the same year at Vegas that I bought a screaming Super Fox that was not recognized for what it was. So you take your choice and write the check. Destry's gun is a true rarity that I missed. So what else is new? It is a real nice gun that I would love to own. Congratulations, Destry. By the way, I put Destry on to the fluid steel Churchill eight gauge that he bought for a "fair price". Ha Ha. The gun lived about thirty miles from my house with a good shooting friend and I just kind of ignored it. Oh well. Again, congratulations. Destry. What a guy.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Bill.
Congrats Destry.

[Bill Murphy]

I called a friend one time to tell him about a ten that was for sale in the Gun List for about $1500. It was not described very well and I'm not much for sending guns back so I hoped my friend would order it in so we could look at it. Destry, hold your hat. It turned out to be a CH 34" Bernard ten with extra set of Remington 34" 3 1/2" magnum barrels numbered to the gun with the original owner's name engraved on the rib of the Bernard barrels and the later owners name engraved on the Remington barrels, both factory done. The gun had a hard life and was refinished and recolored at Remington. I never asked my friend whether he negotiated the asking price to something less than $1500.