California's New CC Ruling

[Bruce Day]

No assault rifle. Maybe God says it is my right to have a shotgun. I'll take a Parker , surely that is in the Bible .

Or if not that , how about at least a Marlin bolt action shotgun. Old or New Testament ?

[Jeff Higgins]

I don't believe anyone said it is in the Bible to own any particular type of firearm. Just that they believe it is a God given right to defend themselves. If you don't wish to defend yourself or loved ones fine, just don't tell me I can't. If you don't think certain types of firearms are necessary don't buy one. Again just don't tell me I can't. I do hope God forbid that if I am ever attacked the bad guy has a Musket. That way maybe my AR will give me the upper hand do to my diminishing shooting skills. If we gun owners are divided we are doomed. They take my AR today your Parker and Deer rifle are next.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

No assault rifle. Maybe God says it is my right to have a shotgun. I'll take a Parker , surely that is in the Bible .

Or if not that , how about at least a Marlin bolt action shotgun. Old or New Testament ?

Good old David of David and Goliath fame was not in the military and not a law enforcement officer, he was a boy, a boy who had learned to use a rock and a sling (presumably with God's help) against bears and lions before he took down Goliath. David, an underage youth, possessed the lethal weaponry of the day for non-military use, with non-military training. The weapons used by David were not toy sling shots if they could kill large animals and Goliath. So the Bible speaks of God's people packing heat back in the day and God helped their aim be true.

[Big Friend Ten (BFT)]

Here you go! Not the Bible but our Declaration of Independence:

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...

[Bruce Day]

Yep that's the Bible. Got it. Gods word, right in the Declaration of Independence. God wrote the Declaration of Independence.

And Gods word in the Declaration of Independence says I can have a rifle or shotgun all my own to smite people , right ?

By the way, Joel Osteen says God wants me to have a Cadillac. Guess I am entitled and ordered.

[Big Friend Ten (BFT)]

Who is to say that our founding fathers were not inspired by God? While not perfect by any means, our country being a hodge podge of almost every culture in the world somehow survives and in most recent decades, leads the world. Not a bad afternoon's work for, well your guess is as good as mine.

[Bruce Day]

Look, I like my shotguns and rifles, I've always owned guns. The Second Amendment is not as clear as some people would like to believe or behave , God never said you can have a gun, and the thing that keeps reasonable gun laws are elected officials. So vote for whom you want.

You fellows who demand all or nothing on the assault rifles I fear may sink us all. There will come a point when the anti gun folks throw us all in the same pot and cook us all and my ability to own a few hundred year old shotguns will be compromised because of the insistence of some people to own butt ugly assault rifles.

I'm going fishing.

[Double Lab]

I hope your are playing the role of the devil's advocate here Bruce as you have fallen into the media's "assault rifle" hogwash. I don't own an AR platform rifle nor do I wish to own one. But many of my friends do and they use them the same way we use our double guns: to hunt with and to target shoot. If I "assaulted" someone with a handgun or even with one of my Parkers would'nt that be deemed an assault weapon? The AR platform rifle is nothing more than the evolution of the musket available in 1776, much like the hammerless shotgun is the evolution of the matchlock weapon.

Lawmakers DO NOT give us the right to own weapons, the 2nd amendment does. I'ts just that simple. The Declaration also assures us certain unalienable rights; Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All three are protected by the 2nd Amend. I'm certainly not a black helicopter kind of guy but when things go to hell in a handbasket, which they will, you can defend your property with a lovely graded Parker. I'll take an AR with a couple thousand rounds loaned to me by my one of my "black gun" buddies.

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

[Jeff Higgins]

I agree God never said I could own a gun. But I don't believe he ever said I couldn't own one either. I will use Ct. as a example of how a wedge was driven between the self defense type of gun owner and the Hunter/ collector types. The Hunter/ collector types did not stand shoulder to shoulder with the self defense types. You would hear them make comments about ugly Assault rifles. How they would not own such a thing, you don't need one for hunting or you don't need a mag that holds more than X amount for Hunting. Basically looking down their noses at those types of firearms and those type of firearm owners. It did not affect their firearm hobby so they did not care. So laws were passed. Well guess what. I lost count of how many guys walked into the store to buy a new shotgun to hunt or shoot clays with and were shocked to find out they can't without a permit. What do you mean I can't buy one anymore with my hunting license or a two week wait? I thought that was just for those ugly assault rifles! Or the guys who came in the Friday before opening day to pick up ammo to find out they can't buy it without a permit. My favorite was the 30 year retired FBI agent that could not buy ammo because he did not have a permit. I really felt bad for the guys that lost out on firearms for Christmas or birthday presents because their wives or relatives had no way to purchase them. I remember another guy that has a really extensive Browning Hi-Power collection, he wasn't to happy about 10 round mags only. I don't fish much anymore but I will defend your right to do so because my kids and grandkids like to.

[Dean Romig]

As far as "they" are concerned, we can hang together or we can hang separately... but hang we all will if "they" have their way.

I say we stick together - what say you?





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